• grue@lemmy.world
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    …And then they mostly couldn’t be bothered to actually get college degrees despite how cheap they were, yet still ended up with good careers capable of supporting entire households with only one person working anyway.

    Despite his cynicism, even Bernie manages to understate the problem here!

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      Just throwing out there, this was one generation out of however many to the dawn of time that was able to do this. And they did it on the backs of the hundreds of thousands of people that fought, starved and died to get unions established. For the vast majority of history, if you could work you worked man, woman & child because if you didn’t your family starved. Then people fought for generations to get unions established and they finally did it and one single generation got the advantages of it before the next generation decided they didn’t need no stinking unions as they were working white collar jobs and here we are. We’re not standing together so we’re falling together.

    • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
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      And then Biden did it 4 years later.

      See the pattern? Combined with all the “left” side of democrats support for US imperialism.

      Bernie and people like him ain’t gonna change shit, not any more in the future that they did in a past decades. It’s time to radicalise way beyond him and the lukewarm electoral socialdemocracy, the only thing that can change something for the better, and did in the past, is the organised working class.

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      It was the Democratic establishment and the corporate media that stole it. The biggest thing they fear is a candidate that puts the American people over corporate interests.

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      Did she steal it tho?

      The Bern caved, which was a cuck move.

      I still support him but that was a clown mistake imho setting working and young people back a decade or so.

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        As much as I hate to say it, Democrats would’ve just lost even harder if the vote was divided. He did the right thing at the time, the democrat party never would’ve backed down on Hillary back then.

        That entire election was egos that overestimated how things would go.

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    Image Transcription: Twitter Post


    Bernie Sanders, @BernieSanders

    The Boomer generation needed just 306 hours of minimum wage work to pay for four years of public college. Millennials need 4,459.

    The economy today is rigged against working people and young people. This is what we are going to change.


    ^I’m a human volunteer transcribing posts in a format compatible with screen readers, for blind and visually impaired users!^

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    I guess my dads not A typical boomer, he openly emits that times were much easier for him. As this quote from Bernie implies, after taking to account inflation and everything around living your life, we work much harder and get much less than our parents or grandparents did.

    Regarding getting off the gold standard, sure that might have some effect, and I’m not a finance major so I don’t know all the details, but in the end, I think capitalists would have done whatever they needed to in order to suppress how much people make in compared to their productivity. Getting off of a standard was just the technique used at the time.

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    Sorry, Bernie’s full of crap. He’s deliberately twisting facts to misinform. He’s using today’s highest minimum wage to calculate paying tuition at levels of 50 years ago, and trying to imply that people only needed to work 306 hours THEN to pay for college tuition THEN. That’s just not true.

    When I was working during high school / college, minimum wage was $1.50 / hr. That works out to $459 for 4 years of college education. Tuition at public institutions in the mid '70’s was $1210 / year nces.ed.gov That’s $4840 for 4 years at a time when my comfortably middle-class father was earning ~ $25 K / year. It was cheaper, but not by as much as Bernie claims.

    Also, public colleges have always been subsidized by the state. You’d also need to look at the level of subsidy between then and now and whether we’re choosing to subsidize less.

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      Subsidy is about the same the most places… admin bloat though requires higher fees from students.

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    Yes something needs to change and I feel you are seeing the real panic of the right as more and more younger people can now vote and are just pissed as everything they are doing.

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      People have been saying this since the 60s. Lots of young people are still conservative and many areas are still solidly red. I don’t see a massive blue wave that garners a supermajority happening anytime soon.

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        Actually, it looks like this time it might be true.

        Source

        Next is speculation on my part, but I imagine people are turning conservative more based on their wealth than their age. We saw a correlation between age and conservative sentiment because people tended to gather wealth as they got older.

        But that link has been progressively eroded, so people are no longer switching. Essentially the conservatives are killing the golden goose in their incessant pursuit of consolidating wealth.

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    I think the only solution to this problem is subsidies.

    Subsidies knowledge works well around the world.

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    It’s not minimum wage’s fault, it’s the government guaranteeing student loans. Tuition skyrocketed since then and has been out of control since.

    Then with so many people being told “You have to go to college so you don’t become a garbageman!” the requirements for most jobs increased as well. Manufacturing in pharma, for instance, I could take a kid out of middle school and teach him the job in an hour. Get fresh grads from college for a bachelor’s degree and they still need an hour of teaching. But now the Bachelors is required for some reason.

    Ironically, garbage man pays pretty decent for some minimal manual labor.

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    College prices went sky high when the government started backing student loans, they should have never done that.

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      Except the government has been backing student loans since the GI bill passed in 1944. College tuition started growing in the 80s and really took off on the 90s and 2000s. So of the government backed loans didn’t cause skyrocketing tuition for almost 2 generations, why did it start when millennials were just being born?