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    Ahh yes. Makes perfect sense. God created everything, he even created the apple that he didn’t want Adam and Eve to eat, they ate it anyway, even though God knew that would happen, giving Adam and Eve free will, something that God knew would happen but didn’t want to have happen even though he didn’t have to create the universe in such a way that would allow this to happen. Anyway, a few thousand years go by and a bunch of humans high on some desert junk write a bunch of nonsense stories about the end of days, so God creates Adolf Hitler to kill all of the Jews, which are God’s favorite people and the ones that are the coolest yet most deserving of genocide apparently, so that the ones that Hitler didn’t kill could get their own made up country in the middle of the desert, so that God could press a button and open seals on a book or something that would unleash pure misery and despair unto the world so that he can take the REAL favorites (the Gentiles, not the Jews) to heaven while everyone else burns in pure agony for all eternity because that’s the normal flow of logic that an omnipotent and omnipresent deity would need to to follow in order to have a bit of fun.

    And they wonder why people think fundamentalists are fucking insane.

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    Is that inconsistent?

    It’s really weird, but Christians have this whole death cult thing going on and it requires Israel be around for revelations to happen.

    This means that hitler and the resulting creation of Israel was literally part of God’s plan and this guy will support Israel still existing with religious fevor.

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      @bioemerl @jeffw

      Nothing about religion is consistent. That’s why faith is such a big component.

      Faith that your god is the right one, while everyone else in the world is bass-ackwards.

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      They’ve been trying to breed a perfectly red cow so they can sacrifice it, since that’s what Jesus needs to come back.

      These are not rational people.

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    If you think God created Israel (by any means necessary), I bet you would be pro-Israel. Doesn’t seem logically inconsistent

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      If I believed their god existed at all, I’d view him as a vastly worse version of how they describe Satan. Creating an entire universe full of thinking, feeling beings just to torture most of them is incomprehensibly evil.

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      It’s consistent in its inconsistency. To take every single page of the Bible at face value is to be naive and unable to identify contradictory information.

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    Zionism intentionally promotes antisemitism to encourage Jewish immigration and frighten their own population into supporting militarism, this isn’t surprising at all. The Zionist Federation of Germany literally collaborated with Hitler himself.

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      Antisemitism was a thing long before Zionism, or even Nazism got rolling, you have causality backwards.

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        @DarkGamer There is a difference between promoting something and being the sole source of it. They used appropriate and clear language and you purposefully misunderstood them to make an asinine point.

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          There is a difference between promoting something and being the sole source of it.

          Indeed, but I disagree with the premise.

          It’s arguable that Israel’s existence reduces global antisemitism, not promotes it, by giving Jews a strong global ally and place to retreat to should the spectre of pogroms rise again. Nations worldwide can no longer commit genocides against Jews without significant geopolitical consequences, unlike in the past.

          I believe Zionism is a result of global antisemitism, not a significant cause of it. Jews were persecuted worldwide, which caused Zionists to seek a homeland where they wouldn’t get regularly genocided. There’s only one group today whose hatred of Jews is fueled by Zionism, and frankly most non-Arabs don’t care much. Far more antisemitism existed in the past when there were no Zionists.

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            It can be both a result of, and cause of anti-semitism in different ways. Anti-semitism is not monolithic, it can have multiple vectors in both cause and effect. Both in viewpoint and application.

            Considering the nationalistic streak the current Israeli government has, and their desire to “play the victim”, increased anti-semitism only increases their influence both in their local base and with the international community who would rally behind them in the face of anti-semitism (real or perceived).

            I don’t know that there’s any grand conspiracy to foment that anti-semitism from Israeli leaders, but it wouldn’t surprise me if there was. It’s clearly not the threat it was in the past, as you say. So utilizing it as a tool is not the existential threat it would have posed decades or even centuries ago.