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Of course he defends it and the weirdos that support him will defend it too. There’s this idea running around that vying for voters is more important than integrity. People keep acting like anything other than Tory is still a thing when the reality is that Tory Light is still Tory. There’s nothing about Starmer, his policies or politics that are inherently left and in fact his brazenness in being so right leaning that as a Labour leader, he can come out and praise Thatcher shows just how much he takes grassroots Labour for granted. I hope Liverpool and the north turn their back on him and Labour. Fuck them and the farce that they are!
Sadly under FPTP it really is just Steamer’s labour or Tories. Unless we can somehow manage a hung parliament and the Lib Dems demand the introduction of proportional representation as their price.
Keir would never go for PR. Such a shame, but if Labour aren’t up for it then it sadly will never happen.
no. fuck Sunak, Boris, Rees Mogg, Farage and all those wankers whove ruined this country, and every single failure of the last few years hasn’t happened, like nothing matters to you. By turning away from Labour over this, by saying you want more of this seemingly endless, miserable shit - youre the arsehole. *not you specifically i hope you take this the right way.
those Labour MPs, those hard working left and centre left of which Starmer is a part, they don’t deserve to be treated so poorly by some knee jerk tabloid analysis designed to provoke the exact reaction you are giving. This is exactly what needs to be terminated, this endless tabloid, reductive bollocks which is the same passionate but misdirected energy which gives birth to people like Robert Jenrick or Braverman, who put all their energy in because they feel passion for their job - but in aid of ruining people lives…
they say jump you say how high
rise above
I see what you’re going for, but it’s like you didn’t read what I said and tried to take a perceived sentiment and run with it.
First things first, there’s not a single yardstick by which we can ever call Maggie Thatcher left or even centrist and so the fact that Starmer is praising her, in whatever context or abstraction, puts him firmly on the right.
Are we saying he’s far right like Farage? No! Like Rees Mog? Not far off but no!
What I alluded to was that chasing votes without any integrity isn’t a good thing and that I hoped it would backfire because those constituents of Labour seats who have had to endure the fuckeries we’ve been through deserve better than more of the same. We deserve new ideas, new approaches and a government that doesn’t try and hold up Margaret fucking Thatcher as anything other than a fucking evil cow that’s better off dead!
And I would argue that people like you that try and Red Wash Starmer and his actions are actually at the root of the problem.
on the contrary, i read exactly what you said. I dont mean in a semantic way, I mean I read it and understood it.
The problem youve got is, Starmer is one person and the closest to an ‘establishment’ man the Labour Party has ever had. Hes a lawyer and knighted by the Queen ffs. But hes also part of a corrective streak lasting for ten years since, myself included with all my heart, when Corbyn won the right to challenge for the leadership and royally fucked it all up. That is what happened, and to me, it proved that arseholes like Boris will sneak in if we dont put sensible people up. People who can read, people who are dedicated to public service as a vocation not a hustle like these crooks. They promote people like Lammy and Rayner, people like Cooper are balanced out with real left wing heroes to get where they have without going through Eton or be related to a slave owning family dynasty or whatever.
Im sorry but the real left wing has to do better than give up after a few blows from a dying tabloid culture. The left isnt just the leader, its the entire working class and probably a large chunk of the middle as well, and writing it all off as not ‘left wing’ enough is a lie.
Sure mate, we’ll turn our back on the only viable way under First Past The Post to boot the ACTUAL Tories out of office.
Get of your idealistic high-horse, look around and realise this land, thanks to Murdoch and a deeply entrenched class system, is full of right wingers that’ll NEVER vote in anything more left than Blair, Gordon, and Starmer into power. They just know Sunak is out of ideas and they’re willing to switch sides.
Diet Tory he may be in rhetoric, but better than the full-sugar Tories rotting away the roots of our institutions and futures to sell to their mates.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
In a clear pitch to Conservative voters, Sir Keir highlighted immigration and small boat crossings in his article as “matters of serious public concern”.
Later on Sunday, Sir Keir told Broadcasting House that the point of his article was to compare what he described as the “drift” of recent years with the “sense of mission” of previous leaders.
“The point I am making in that article is that you can distinguish political leaders, certainly in the post war period, into those that had a plan and a sense of mission, and those that drifted essentially.”
Responding to Sir Keir’ comments, Labour MP Ian Byrne - a member of the parliamentary Socialist Campaign Group - said Baroness Thatcher’s legacy was “inequality, hunger, destitution and misery”.
In his article in the traditionally conservative Sunday Telegraph - Sir Keir sought to highlight how Labour had changed from the party of 2019 under the leadership of Jeremy Corbyn.
Health Secretary Victoria Atkins accused Sir Keir of trying to “ride on the coattails” of Baroness Thatcher’s success.
The original article contains 679 words, the summary contains 172 words. Saved 75%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!
