Rolling Stone spoke with diehard Trump supporters who waited hours in the snow to watch the former president stump in New Hampshire
Fresh off a historic victory in the Iowa caucuses, former President Donald Trump traveled to New Hampshire and complained to his supporters that he had to leave the White House after losing the 2020 election.
Fans had lined up for hours outside in the snow for a chance to see the presumptive Republican nominee in person — excited over his Iowa win, appearing confident he will once again be president.
During his speech, Trump said it “was ridiculous that we had to leave, but we had to leave, we have to follow the laws of our land.” He quickly doubled down on his 2020 election lies: “They don’t investigate the people that cheated in the election. They investigate the people that understand they cheated and go after them. But they don’t investigate the people who cheated like hell. We have to have fair and free elections.”
Of course, Trump is being prosecuted for attempting to rig the 2020 election and overturn the results in key swing states — and as Rolling Stone has reported, he and his allies are working diligently to predetermine the results of the 2024 election and make sure they favor Trump.
“He’s a family man,” Jerry Bolduc says about Trump. “He believes in God and in America first. And that’s what I’m all about.”
It’s like his fans don’t actually know the first thing about him…
or the second, third, fourth and fifth things.
The only thing that’s true about Trump being a family man, is he wants to fuck his daughter. Which, to be honest, is rather biblical.
I heard an interview the other day where an Iowan trump supporter claimed that Trump was respected by the rest of the world. lol.
As someone from Europe, he’s absolutely not lmao
They think fear is respect or they are pointing to the fascist minority factions within those countries as their source of information. Let’s call it The Fascist International.
Its so funny how he refuses to name his favorite/any known to him Bible verses. Refuses to be pinned down aha
He’s being pedantic, parsing words, being cheeky: everyone knows Mein Kampf is written in prose, not verse.
Everything that seems stupid or outrageous about Trump just clicks into place one you’ve accepted the mandatory foundational bullshit. These people didn’t reason themselves into their position, they were looking for something to believe together. It’s just too bad all that faith is wasted on this asshole.
All faith is wasted. Believing in something without evidence is at best naive and at worst stupid.
It’s like believing in Cancers ability to take over a whole body and make it “better”. Technically Cancer is pretty strong, so a whole body of cancer must be super strong right. Just ignore all the things you know about how that would actually work. Just have faith that it will work how we tell you it will work, it sort of feels like it could be a thing, if you don’t think about it.
They live in some sort of alternate reality where they are blind to facts, I just don’t understand how they arrive at the conclusions they make. It just doesn’t make any sense what so ever. It is going to be studied for generations as a warning for the rest of us.
The worst part is, you can’t tell them different. “Family man? You know he cheated on his pregnant wife with a porn star, right?”
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/commentary-why-evangelicals-stick-with-trump-despite-stormy-daniels/
"Perhaps most astonishing, a recent YouGov poll found only half of Trump voters said Trump cheating on his wife with Stormy Daniels would be immoral, even if it did happen. After everything they’ve learned about him, 56 percent of Trump supporters believe the phrase “moral leader” describes the president either “very well” or “extremely well.” "
I like the optimism, that we have generations left.
His supporters don’t even know what they’re about. They can’t think on their own because they’ve been taught to follow without question.
They can’t say “I like abusing women and minorities and wish it was a more acceptable hobby so I’m voting Trump” – the Unite the Right rally showed them that plausible deniability builds platforms and going mask off takes them away.
But they can say clearly bullshit things like this and everyone does them the favor of pretending they actually mean it.
If someone doesn’t politely play along, they’ve been coached at how to manipulate their way out of it with by saying things like “the left just calls everyone they don’t like a Nazi”.
No, no, Trump really is a family man…in exactly the same way as Tony Soprano. He is all about HIS family, but definitely not yours!
He doesn’t even clear that low bar. He cheats on his wives and palms his children off on others people.
It’s ridiculous he was there in the first place.
And it’s about to happen again because ideologically “pure” leftists constantly fall for right-wing propaganda and fail to understand the real world impacts of harm reduction.
Isn’t life in the 21st century just so fucking grand?
Leftists aren’t to blame for the right wing.
ok, but also: not voting empowers an avowed fascist. so…
look the only way to hold biden to account is to make sure we still have a democracy next year.
It’s not leftists’ fault there is fascism on the right.
Just because something isn’t your fault doesn’t mean it’s not your problem
Yes, it’s everyone’s problem, not leftists’
I agree with that
voting isn’t harm reduction
It is absolutely harm reduction.
I am not going to respond to anything else that is not in your own words. Back your shit up or fuck off.
So you’d rather hear that it’s a genocide from some random on the internet than a Jewish Holocaust and Genocide scholar? People post links to experts and researched studies and you can’t trust that? Good luck 🍀
Disingenuous bullshit gets you blocked. Goodbye.
Lol, linking to YT shorts on Lemmy as if it’s going to help your argument
People don’t generally have time to watch a documentary on the Nakba. I’m aware. Every affirmation from others helps the argument.
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I love you.
Thanks, I’m sure you’re pretty swell too ✌
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Absolutely on point until the very last line. Edit the comment, remove the attack, and it’s allowable. As it is? Removed - Keep it civil.
I tried to edit the comment but it seems to still just read as removed, so I apologize jordanlund but I’m going to tag repost my comment below this one, minus the offending last line so as to hopefully be within policy compliance. Comment (sans final line), was as follows:
What disingenuous bullshit. Did you actually read that page or just find the first google result that supports your claim?
Because that page is basically two things: legitimate raging against real anti-activism efforts and a bunch of defeatist bullshit nothing based on a strawman assumption that the harm reduction argument is inherently one which is at odd with other forms of activism. Yeah no shit the deeply systemically-rooted problems aren’t going to magically get solved just because you got off your ass for one day in November. And yeah no shit there are more effective, necessary, and righteous ways of affecting change and activism.
But nobody, nobody, is saying otherwise.
But the fact remains that whether you abstain from the practice entirely or you’re the most involved on the street activist in the world, an election will happen in November the results of which will have real world impact. And yes, again no shit both options are horseshit. Yes life under Joe Biden will be one where corporate interests reign free, minority and indigenous and disenfranchised people will continue to be treated unequally and exploited in America, and the economic divide will only further. Yes, that’s all true. But it’s also true that all of those things will happen, but even worse under Donald Trump, as well myriad other genuinely measurable worse things. So if we want to reduce the harm that will happen, logic dictates we ensure Donald Trump isn’t President.
Now tell me where, anywhere in that I say that voting is a panacea for all ailments or anywhere discourage any kind of genuine activism outside of voting.
You can take comfort in being so pure and above it all by not stooping to the levels of supporting an imperfect system all you want, but at the end of the day that’s just selfishness that serves only to feed your own ego. In the meantime, in the real world, abstaining from the system just makes things worse. The point is to do all the shit that I’m sure you pretend to encourage from your desk chair here on Lemmy but never actually do, and also take the fucking 1 hour out of your day once ever four years it takes to vote as well. It literally only helps things and does not in any way take away from legitimate efforts.
If voting is the democratic participation in our own oppression, voting as harm reduction is a politics that keeps us at the mercy of our oppressors.
Good read
Not voting and letting insane fascists take over is clearly the better choice when trying to reduce harm.
Voting isn’t a panacea, but saying it isn’t harm reduction makes you sound ignorant or like you’re arguing in bad faith.
Not voting and letting insane fascists take over is clearly the better choice when trying to reduce harm.
i didn’t propose not voting
So what are you proposing? Go on, say it with your chest.
Not voting and letting insane fascists take over is clearly the better choice when trying to reduce harm.
voting isn’t harm reduction.
saying it isn’t harm reduction makes you sound ignorant or like you’re arguing in bad faith.
i’m saying it because i know what harm reduction is, and it’s not voting.
Asserting your same point multiple times without expanding upon it doesn’t make your point any stronger, and definitely doesn’t help people think that the quoted portion of my statement doesnt apply to you.
Harm reduction includes many, many different actions, of which voting is but one of them. You’re welcome to explain how voting isn’t harm reduction, but I bet I’ll be able to tear down that argument fairly easily once you actually look at possible outcomes to who is in office. For example, it’s absolutely harm reduction to keep MAGAts and the GOP out of office for any LGBT+ people, given the war the right has been wagging on these communities.
Also, calling it a false dichotomy without explanation doesn’t make it so, no matter how many times you reply to a single comment.
you sound ignorant or like you’re arguing in bad faith.
this false dichotomy doesn’t belong on this instance or in this community
Voting certainly can be harm reduction. In its current US form where there is little direct democracy and a lot of single seat voting its not a particularly reliable form of harm reduction given its reliance on swing state voters and gerrymandered seats, but its still harm reduction.
Voting certainly can be harm reduction.
no, it can’t. that’s not what harm reduction means.
I bet you think a taco isnt a sandwich.
this isn’t a pedantic argument. it’s about actual harm and actual harm reduction strategies.
It absolutely is a pedantic argument. If I see a shitty beater car competing in a race and say “that’s a race car” and you say “no a race car is a professional racing car” you’re being pedantic, its both, “race car” is shorthand for “professional/sport racing car” but its also just what the words mean together.
Language isnt always as clear as we like: if you want to be crystal clear about “drug harm reduction programs” which are part of broader “addiction harm reduction models” that can sometimes include non drug models, well you can be precise with your meaning or you can be flexible in meaning, but outside that its just pedantry. So yes, you can consider a lot of things “harm reduction” because its shorthand.
I never see anyone bring this up, and I truly understand that all of our logical arguments don’t work on Trump’s supporters, but election fraud at the level of a Presidential election? The fuck?!
What does that even look like? How was it done? How were several thousand key people, at the very least, convinced to fake it for Biden and yet no one has stepped forward in guilt? How has the entire Trump machine not been able to unearth the slightest bit of evidence?
One redditor broke it down succinctly in 2020, “We’re smart enough to have faked it and didn’t eliminate Mitch McConnell?!” These people literally don’t understand that all those votes are scored on the same ballots.
I can go on all night, but I know this, Bill Clinton couldn’t get a bj in the Oval Office and keep it quiet.
He made up stories in 2016 that Hillary bussed in millions of immigrants to vote in California, which is why he lost the state no republican has won since Bush the first, who was riding high on Regan’s afterglow.
The pure raw logistics of bussing millions of people anywhere, for any reason, especially on the same day is mind boggling. Pretending that it was done in a stunningly populous state during an election and no one anywhere had any proof of it when ubiquitous camera phones exist, when he already won the election, was mind blowing.
Thats where his lies come from. Pure, raw unchecked ego, with no connection to the world itself. His base wants to believe, so they do, and they more they do, the more he can lie about. Rinse, repeat, until we are now at la la land.
Honestly the craziest part of that lie, to me, was how electable it should have made Hillary sound. She led the coordination of a million person movement in one day for a major event, at so low a cost that it was unnoticeable in any budget, and so seamlessly that no one noticed it happening at the time? That makes her sound like a logistical and strategic badass.
He made up stories in 2016 that Hillary bussed in millions of immigrants to vote in California, …
Math!
- If a coach bus carries 60 passengers, and there are two million people (“millions”) to be bussed, that would require 33,334 buses.
- Since each bus requires a driver, that means 33,334 bus drivers.
- At 45 feet per bus, that’s over 284 miles of buses.
- If the buses get 6 miles per gallon, and each bus needs to travel a mere 60 miles, that’s a total fuel usage of 333,340 gallons of fuel.
- Gas and diesel were both around $2.75 a gallon in 2016, which means that the fuel cost alone for this very generous hypothetical scenario would be $916,685.00.
And the easiest way to bust that conspiracy is to ask:
Why send them all to blue California, and not to any red states?
Do you know how many low-populations states like Wyoming and the Dakotas could be flipped blue with just a few tens of thousands more Democratic voters? It makes no sense to send them to a state you’re already going to win, when you can thin them out and win several states
Ehh, that has an easy and stupid rebutal:
“Good gun toting Christian patriots would have killed those illegals on sight. It’s only in Satanic Taxifornia where all the godless heathen and DeMoN RaTs live that they could get away with it!”
The key was that he wanted to vilify Hillary, immigrants and California all at once while stroking his own ego.
You’re talking about people who literally think there’s body doubles ruling the country or second military systems with one controlled by Biden and another still by Trump.
The education entrance polling for the Iowa caucuses was eye opening, even being in line with what I expected.
Have a post-graduate degree? 75% Voted for someone other than Trump.
Didn’t go to college? 75% Trump.
Not enough non-white representation to be properly aggregated.
Hard stance against immigration.
His support of ‘people like them’ captures 80% of reasons why they’re voting.
It all adds up to them disliking people they have no actual interaction with because the news makes them scary. Just raw, unashamed bigotry marching for the Oval.
Conspiracies don’t have to make sense, they just have to make you feel good.
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The answer is usually that someone else would simply take his place. Not happening here. The GOP can’t even post a plausible 2nd place candidate.
People absolutely LOVE that line of logic. “Well if Putin were deposed, he’s just be replaced by someone just as bad!!!1111”. In reality, some people are unique set of skills, and who ever would move into Putin’s role wouldn’t have those skills, and wouldn’t make the same decisions as he would have.
The same thing applies to Trump, he’s uniquely terrible, and none of the other GOP candidates even come close in terms of the type of damage they’d do as president vs what Trump will do. None of those other candidates would unify all the crazy MAGA people like Trump does. So in this instance, he’s singular, he’s terrible, and he really needs to stop being in the spot light, and just fade away. He’s already inflicted more damage on the United States then any foreign enemy could have dreamed of. Another term of that clown would be catastrophic.
Indeed
Yeah, where’s Paul Ryan at? He crawled under a rock after stumping for Russia.
I’m legit surprised nobody has had a decent crack at it
If he wins, I think someone would try.
we have to follow the laws of our land
Yeah, but you don’t.
He quickly doubled down on his 2020 election lies: “They don’t investigate the people that cheated in the election. They investigate the people that understand they cheated and go after them. But they don’t investigate the people who cheated like hell. We have to have fair and free elections.”
wut
Don’t you understand? If you don’t vote for him you’re obviously too dumb to understand that you cheated.
Traitor swine needs to be locked the fuck up.
I thought he said it was a dump
Gods, among all the other bullshit, I had forgot that quote.
Well, of course. There were no white leather couches, no velvet Elvis paintings. The toilets weren’t even made of gold. Absolutely no culture of any kind.
Ok, sure man, whatever you say, old man screaming at the cloud.
“Historic Iowa victory”. He won 51% out of some 110k votes. In 2020 he won 98% of far more votes there.
Yeah he won, but it’s not the anointment it’s being reported as being. The result suggest many GOP voters sitting out or preferring options.
That said they WILL coalesce around the nominee because they always do while the left will still be cats in a bag.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Fresh off a historic victory in the Iowa caucuses, former President Donald Trump traveled to New Hampshire and complained to his supporters that he had to leave the White House after losing the 2020 election.
Fans had lined up for hours outside in the snow for a chance to see the presumptive Republican nominee in person — excited over his Iowa win, appearing confident he will once again be president.
Dozens of Trump supporters stood outside the venue for hours Tuesday as heavy snow fell, leaving thick ice on attendees’ cars.
During his speech, Trump expressed confidence he’ll win New Hampshire next week, but he called on his supporters to help him build a significant margin of victory.
“Nikki Haley is counting on the Democrats and liberals to infiltrate your Republican primary,” Trump warned during his speech Tuesday, adding it is “artificially boosting her numbers here.”
The pro-Trump super PAC Make America Great Again Inc. has been running ads in New Hampshire attacking Haley on immigration, using language similar to the Adolf Hitler-like “poisoning the blood” rhetoric Trump has employed on the campaign trail.
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