• FaceDeer@kbin.social
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    11 months ago

    I’ve been pretty down on modern Star Trek, but Lower Decks really shines out because IMO it’s being made by people who clearly love Star Trek.

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    11 months ago

    I’ve never personally understood why people get so obsessed with which works of fiction are more real. It’s just a silly thing to worry about.

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      11 months ago

      It adds to the cohesive narrative which can make the overall story telling experience better. When works are considered canon, that’s usually an indicator that the overall franchise narrative is being cared for and thought of.

      It can also mean that some aspects of one show can show up in another or vice versa. It’s very cool to see a character you really like. Show up in another medium.

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        For your second point, you can do that without worrying about canon. In fact it’s easier if you don’t.

        For the first one, that can be interesting for a single coherent work with a single writer or team of writers that planned out at least an outline of a story beforehand, but there are rarely questions about canon for those kinds of stories. For something worked on for over half a century by hundreds if not thousands of people many of whom have very different visions for what it should all be about, in my experience it just leads to people getting mad at each other based on which of those visions they like more, and lots of self-contradictory nonsense crammed into the story to try and make it all work. That is just my opinion though. You are free to like different things than I do.

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        11 months ago

        I fully agree, but I also think that there’s too much focus these days on official canon. Copyright might mean that only one big giant corporation is allowed to make stories “set” in a particular universe, but that shouldn’t mean that fans can’t decide for themselves “nope, that was lame, I reject that particular bit.” And if enough fans share that opinion the big giant corporation might want to listen to them.

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    11 months ago

    Honestly the constant bitching about ‘NuTrek’ is what makes me avoid Star Trek fans most of the time. I can rattle off episode names, quote the show, cite lines in episodes. Hell, I technically worked on a Trek show. Nothing makes me more embarassed than the incessant bitching and whining about how the new stuff isn’t canon or how it supposedly breaks canon or how the writing sucks. People who have legitimate criticisms, voice them as such, but are still polite or at least optimistic? You people are heroes. But the rest of you who just throw stuff at the show and say how it sucks? Fuck y’all. We are getting new Star Trek after the franchise being abandoned for years and your first reaction is to bitch and whine.

    Hell yes it’s all canon. Hell yes the animation is amazing. I have a UFP flag on my wall and I’m proud of it.

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      11 months ago

      the funniest thing about people who constantly complain about “nutrek” is that half of them haven’t even seen TOS so the show that’s “real trek” to them is literally just the nutrek og fans were saying ruined star trek in the late 80s

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      11 months ago

      There’s a world of difference between Lower Decks and, say, Discovery/Picard. The further away from Kurtzman, the better.

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          11 months ago

          What did you think of Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds?

          even liked Enterprise

          I liked Enterprise once it picked up moment in later seasons and hated Picard from the start. Discovery was a chore for me and I gave up on that too. I-was-saying