We’re getting there we’re getting there. The president doesn’t need to believe in anything but filling his pockets to be a prime religious leader. I don’t think most cult leaders believe what they tell their followers, do you?
Trump enacts or supports a great lot of whatever the US fundies want. Women’s rights in the US don’t mean a lot now and will mean a whole lot less going forward, and a lot of that is carried by religion. I told my American friend in Januari not to panic, she still had time to get out, they would not turn the US into Iran in a month or two.
Things are going down that road faster than I believed and I am relieved to know she has been able to get out of the US today.
What I’m saying is that Trump doesn’t even pretend to be religious. The Christians that vote for him don’t think he is either. It’s purely transactional, he gets their vote, he puts policies in place that they like.
You must not have seen much of the world if you think US women rights are bad in the US. Outside of the abortion issue, I don’t see how the current administration has made any moves to curtail women rights. The states might be doing some shit, but if their constitution allows it, and the people living in the state voted and keep voting for the people these laws then what can I tell you? That’s democracy baby.
As far as I can tell women in the US are really second class citizens, who can -for the moment - still vote and own property , but those things are being dicussed as stuff to remove by the conservatives in power. The anti -trans measures taken are a direct attack on women who now face the threat of having to prove they’re “real” women whenever some creep feels like getting them to strip or doesn’t like them competing in sports or going to the toilet. After abortion, contraception is now on the table to be removed.
You must not be living in the real world to think that women in the US are ok under the current regime. Sure you can compare with Iran or Afghanistan, but those seem to be the great examples to follow for the conservative evangelicals.
I suspect Iran will change soonish, Afghanistan… is taking things further down the road to oblivion every day.
You can’t make claims like these without proof. So please show me proof that there is serious discussions in legislative circles to pass laws to that effect. But even then unless those laws are passed, my statement still stands.
On to the transgender, and more specifically transwomen issue.
Transwomen have pretty much the same rights as anyone else. I’m not gonna engage in the mental gymnastics of that particular topic so I won’t respond to replies but I’ll lay out my opinion on the matter even though I know that I’m wasting my time and I’ll get labeled transphobic: transwomen enjoy all the rights afforded to them by our laws as they are afforded to everyone else. What they do not have right now is widespread absolute social acceptance. I’ll posit that it is simply not desirable to force that through the state. To put it simply, whether transwomen are allowed to play in women’s sports or not should not be up to the government but rather the people participating in the sport, and in the same way, whether transwomen are allowed in women’s bathrooms or not should be up to the women that use the bathroom. Now that second one has its fair share of issues so I understand why it’s not really a solution. I think the real best solution is to not have gendered bathrooms at all, and the realistic solution is to be self aware and use the bathroom of the gender you most resemble.
I also think that no amount of rhetoric will convince the broad population that transwomen are the same as women, especially since it requires the aforementioned mental gymnastics to reach that conclusion.
The only thing you said that makes sense is to get rid of gendered bathrooms. That would solve so much.
I don’t follow you at all on the mental gymnastics thing.
The proposals for laws against contraceptives are easily found by google as are the results of trans hatemongering and laws on women in general. If certain politicians and their support network didn’t make a point of campaigning on trans (and women) hate not a lot of people would care if a girl was assigned male at birth.
You’re conflating two issues. Women’s reproductive rights are one thing and transwomen hate are another. I agree that curtailing reproductive freedom is a transgression on women’s rights, but compared to what goes on in the rest of the world America is in a better place than most nations. Not to say that you should just accept it, but I also don’t think it’s fair assessment that this means “America hates women” because hating women looks a lot different than what goes on here.
The mental gymnastics are the root of the conflation of these two issues because the basis of it is that transwomen are exactly the same as women, but you’ll be hard pressed to find anyone outside the internet who really believes that. And I think that if you do an analysis devoid of ideology or moral judgement you’ll come to the conclusion that Transwomen and women are not the same thing.
No, it has nothing to do with conflation of the issues, it’s that women -trans and afab alike - get attacked because and forced to humiliate themselves to prove they’re real. If you want to see what happens in a real world example that got a lot of press look at that female boxer at the olympics. And it’s stuff like that that gets legislated in the US. You just refuse to see it. Meanwhile the regime removes every mentions of female leaders and scientists in things like the military and NASA. But that doesn’t bother you at all.
We’re getting there we’re getting there. The president doesn’t need to believe in anything but filling his pockets to be a prime religious leader. I don’t think most cult leaders believe what they tell their followers, do you?
Trump enacts or supports a great lot of whatever the US fundies want. Women’s rights in the US don’t mean a lot now and will mean a whole lot less going forward, and a lot of that is carried by religion. I told my American friend in Januari not to panic, she still had time to get out, they would not turn the US into Iran in a month or two.
Things are going down that road faster than I believed and I am relieved to know she has been able to get out of the US today.
What I’m saying is that Trump doesn’t even pretend to be religious. The Christians that vote for him don’t think he is either. It’s purely transactional, he gets their vote, he puts policies in place that they like.
You must not have seen much of the world if you think US women rights are bad in the US. Outside of the abortion issue, I don’t see how the current administration has made any moves to curtail women rights. The states might be doing some shit, but if their constitution allows it, and the people living in the state voted and keep voting for the people these laws then what can I tell you? That’s democracy baby.
As far as I can tell women in the US are really second class citizens, who can -for the moment - still vote and own property , but those things are being dicussed as stuff to remove by the conservatives in power. The anti -trans measures taken are a direct attack on women who now face the threat of having to prove they’re “real” women whenever some creep feels like getting them to strip or doesn’t like them competing in sports or going to the toilet. After abortion, contraception is now on the table to be removed.
You must not be living in the real world to think that women in the US are ok under the current regime. Sure you can compare with Iran or Afghanistan, but those seem to be the great examples to follow for the conservative evangelicals.
I suspect Iran will change soonish, Afghanistan… is taking things further down the road to oblivion every day.
You can’t make claims like these without proof. So please show me proof that there is serious discussions in legislative circles to pass laws to that effect. But even then unless those laws are passed, my statement still stands.
On to the transgender, and more specifically transwomen issue.
Transwomen have pretty much the same rights as anyone else. I’m not gonna engage in the mental gymnastics of that particular topic so I won’t respond to replies but I’ll lay out my opinion on the matter even though I know that I’m wasting my time and I’ll get labeled transphobic: transwomen enjoy all the rights afforded to them by our laws as they are afforded to everyone else. What they do not have right now is widespread absolute social acceptance. I’ll posit that it is simply not desirable to force that through the state. To put it simply, whether transwomen are allowed to play in women’s sports or not should not be up to the government but rather the people participating in the sport, and in the same way, whether transwomen are allowed in women’s bathrooms or not should be up to the women that use the bathroom. Now that second one has its fair share of issues so I understand why it’s not really a solution. I think the real best solution is to not have gendered bathrooms at all, and the realistic solution is to be self aware and use the bathroom of the gender you most resemble.
I also think that no amount of rhetoric will convince the broad population that transwomen are the same as women, especially since it requires the aforementioned mental gymnastics to reach that conclusion.
The only thing you said that makes sense is to get rid of gendered bathrooms. That would solve so much.
I don’t follow you at all on the mental gymnastics thing.
The proposals for laws against contraceptives are easily found by google as are the results of trans hatemongering and laws on women in general. If certain politicians and their support network didn’t make a point of campaigning on trans (and women) hate not a lot of people would care if a girl was assigned male at birth.
You’re conflating two issues. Women’s reproductive rights are one thing and transwomen hate are another. I agree that curtailing reproductive freedom is a transgression on women’s rights, but compared to what goes on in the rest of the world America is in a better place than most nations. Not to say that you should just accept it, but I also don’t think it’s fair assessment that this means “America hates women” because hating women looks a lot different than what goes on here.
The mental gymnastics are the root of the conflation of these two issues because the basis of it is that transwomen are exactly the same as women, but you’ll be hard pressed to find anyone outside the internet who really believes that. And I think that if you do an analysis devoid of ideology or moral judgement you’ll come to the conclusion that Transwomen and women are not the same thing.
No, it has nothing to do with conflation of the issues, it’s that women -trans and afab alike - get attacked because and forced to humiliate themselves to prove they’re real. If you want to see what happens in a real world example that got a lot of press look at that female boxer at the olympics. And it’s stuff like that that gets legislated in the US. You just refuse to see it. Meanwhile the regime removes every mentions of female leaders and scientists in things like the military and NASA. But that doesn’t bother you at all.