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    Some talk about building 7 like that’s the big reveal.

    … I rarely (almost never) hear anyone else talk about the cylindrical holes on the roof of buildings 5 and 6.

    Even if the graphics, the physics, the mismatch, were not enough to at least sense something’s wrong, perhaps looking at buildings 5 and 6 can help sublimate to see what’s going on.


    … On a completely unrelated topic ;] did you know we could have had spaceships each since the 1930s? Safe enough a 2 year old can fly home, zero point energy, zero inertia propulsion, can sustain human life indefinitely, and can print another of itself instantly. By human innovation. Follow the tech arc from Michael Faraday through to Nikola Tesla… They were experimenting with high freq electromagnetically cancelling out inertia on their hot air balloons in the mid 1800s. Full working prototypes, that all they needed to was make them capable of handling the vacuum of space, et viola, they have spaceships. Yes, even before the Wright brothers famous flight. We never needed rockets.

    Imagine what other technology could have been getting hidden from us by the agnotology industry, through the lost century.

    And if they’re willing to abuse us by keeping us all down, by lies so vast, denying us the potential of humanity, causing so many pointless resource wars, suppressing our sublimation to abundance and space… and they have the technology… it’s no great leap, even without looking into where the mass~ the volume of the towers went, or what the holes in buildings 5 and 6 were, or the dustification, or the “pull it” and BBC’s pre-reporting on building 7, and how to fit a 757 into a pentagon shaped hole, and the timely absentees, and the fighters that were ordered to de-scramble and not intercept, and that they used agents and assets, and that the whole plan was laid out in The Project For A New American Century think tank’s published planning documents, or any of the hundreds of other clues in the timelines and testimonies, … they dark tetrads drawn to power, have no empathy nor moral compass holding them back, from deploying that which can be used to empower, educate and emancipate us, instead to terrorise us, make us ignorant, and enslave us.

    … But it doesn’t matter, because, it’s just a ride. And we can change it any time we want. A choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want us separated, bigger locks on our doors, bigger guns in our hands, bigger strongmen to save us. Whereast instead, the eyes of love, see us all as one.

    Here’s what we can do, to change the world to a better ride. Take all we spend on weapons arming the world, and instead spend it feeding, clothing and educating everybody in the world, not one excluded, and we can explore space, both inner and outer, together, forever, in peace.

    Thanks Bill Hicks, for that prayer. :) Flap those butterfly wings. We can still mend this. :)


    PS, Oh, oops. Got carried away on this topic, like I usually do. I’m not sure I really (at least not directly) answered your question:

    should i be getting trutherpilled on 9/11, whats there to read about it that’s written by somewhat serious people who aren’t posting about frazzledrip in their spare time?

    Did not know what frazzledrip is… 5 second websearch suggests it’s about the deeply rotten stuff the psychopaths corrupted by power get up to for fun at our expense, our suffering, our lives… … and, I’m not sure I follow any line of reasoning I can imagine to have that be the criteria. Maybe that’s intended in a more general sense. But even then, that’s confusing as to how that would be useful criteria. Do you find that a strong indicator for the [un]trustworthiness of a source? [… I somewhat suspect that more makes one susceptible to being misled, out of epistemologically sound thinking, by subtle smears of association.]

    Not having a firm handle on what your criteria is for what makes for acceptable reading on the topic for you, a couple “serious” names spring to mind:

    • [the] “Math Easy Solutions” [guy. I forget his name], among his many articles and videos on maths, physics, geometry, engineering and so on, he also, ever since after being challenged to put his engineering skills to use and do the maths on 9/11, and him actually doing it, and finding out the incongruities and impossibilities of the official narratives, he now also includes various streams where he goes through various aspects, the maths, the physics, of 9/11.
    • Dr Judy Wood, at first many people read the tabloid summary of her work, and dismiss her and her work off hand without actually looking through it. At the very least, it makes for an interesting, fun, visually entertaining challenge to look though her book, and attempt to refute any part of it. And/or fun to see how much one reflexively tries to cling to a world view, and suffers cognitive dissonance.

    But who knows. The first casualty of war is the truth, and in this sea of misinformation, everybody’s a shill. No one has the whole elephant ~ and we are all just another blind man with another piece of the elephant. Leave no stone unturned in the search for the truth. Listen to those who seek the truth. Run from those who claim to have found it. “It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain an idea without necessarily accepting nor rejecting it” – Whoever said that first.

    … I miss the pre-wikileaks days, when it was all distributed, no single point of failure to attack, no figurehead to smear… just people, doing their democratic duty, educating themselves so they may educate others, as democracy requires a fully informed public. And we do not get that from a central source, always the target of the usurpers. Not that an absence of an obvious teacher or tyrant in the room is any guarantee of free egalitarian pedagogy, as Ed Bernays’s Crystalising Public Opinion has given us a towering warning from history, that they can usurp the minds of the masses, even form the masses to their liking…

    “It’s no wonder nobody learns history. You just learn way too much.” (-- I forget who). And fail to learn, doomed to repeat. Here we are. A lost century on.

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      9 天前

      Frazzledrip is term for supposed snuff csam on Hilldawg’s computer or something. Total Qanon/Pizzagate bs that’s a total dead end for actual research.

      Generally if your conspiracy theories take a side on American partisan politics, they’ve been subsumed by the spectacle. The American ruling class is universally satanic.

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        I see.

        Generally if your conspiracy theories take a side on American partisan politics, they’ve been subsumed by the spectacle. The American ruling class is universally satanic.

        Well said.

        And not just America, as the ruling class care not for the lines on the map other than as tools at their disposal to ultimately maintain the paradigm they care about greater than their squabbles among each other (significant portion of which is just for the tooled-up show anyway).

        Many a misdirection in this space. Many a pantomime false dichotomy. Ever worth the eternal vigilance, within and out.

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      Here’s what we can do, to change the world to a better ride. Take all we spend on weapons arming the world, and instead spend it feeding, clothing and educating everybody in the world, not one excluded, and we can explore space, both inner and outer, together, forever, in peace.

      I know you are mainly talking about military spending, but it’s worth emphasizing that people in power will not let their power simply he voted away, so arming the world is pretty important, it just needs to be the working class rather than militaries directed by the owning class.

      they can usurp the minds of the masses, even form the masses to their liking…

      Whether you realize it or not, this is fundamentally a misanthropic and elitist viewpoint. Mind control does not exist. Enculturation exists, and it has certainly been weaponized by the owning class, but it’s not mind control and we do not stand above the masses as enlightened rebels who posses minds to a greater degree than they do. We have divergent viewpoints because the status quo materially does not work for us, so the ruling ideology does not work for us, so we constructed or are trying to construct an ideology that does work for us, which we do based on the tools we each have and our own limited perspective, leading some people to better solutions and some people to quackery. That and nothing more.

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        I know you are mainly talking about military spending, but it’s worth emphasizing that people in power will not let their power simply he voted away, so arming the world is pretty important, it just needs to be the working class rather than militaries directed by the owning class.

        That was a Bill Hicks quote (/paraphrase).

        And indeed, empowering each and all’s the way. USA’s 2nd amendment could be interpreted to mean we’re each due the very best of technology… So, the NRO and DNI (or whoever other compartmentalised special ops groups) should not be the only ones with the best toys. We should each have the best toys. Spaceships for everybody.

        Whether you realize it or not, this is fundamentally a misanthropic and elitist viewpoint. Mind control does not exist. Enculturation exists, and it has certainly been weaponized by the owning class, but it’s not mind control and we do not stand above the masses as enlightened rebels who posses minds to a greater degree than they do. We have divergent viewpoints because the status quo materially does not work for us, so the ruling ideology does not work for us, so we constructed or are trying to construct an ideology that does work for us, which we do based on the tools we each have and our own limited perspective, leading some people to better solutions and some people to quackery. That and nothing more.

        That’s amusing. “Whether you realize it or not” can be seen revealing the three fingers pointing back, of your assertion “this is fundamentally a misanthropic and elitist viewpoint”.

        “Mind control does not exist.” Lands flat on its face here. I used to work in advertising. I’ve seen how much could be achieved, how much the culture could be changed, with just my team of 2 and effectively zero budget, in 3 months. … And then there are those who’ve invested trillions over generations. But sure, lets respin it, gaslight it, use pedantic misdirection, it’s not “mind control”, merely the power of suggestion. LOL. A little more awareness of the likes of Ed Bernay’s Crystallising Public Opinion, may help reveal why so much gets invested… it’s not because it does not work. And atop that, there are the likes of various psyop projects, such as famous ones, like MK-ULTRA, Project Monarch.

        And then even various technologies, like the woodpecker and other HAARP-similar installations past and present all around the world. Various security technologies currently deployed can be likened to rudimentary (as in the game “singularity”) “hypnosis fields”, extending on from sonic dispersal technologies. Then consider the incentive and ability of the corporation to have mobile phones, with all their many scanning & tracking abilities, processing abilities, (and under the rule the corporation bought for itself, that it’s not allowed to not do everything it can to maximise profit, “to protect their shareholders”), to have these mobile phones function as cold-readers (like conmen, and mentalists), sensing your biology, emitting signals to nudge, like a constant pavlov’s dog scenario, subconsciously, subliminaly, unbeknownst to the individual being used by the device. Had I not woken up and seen the horror of what I was really doing, when I was working in advertising, telling myself “I’m just dong me job [to serve the client to the best of my abilities]”, and if I lacked the conscience (as many do, as is self-selecting for the industry), I’d have carried on in the advertising industry, and absolutely would now be using these technologies to better manipulate and control people by.

        Main notion I’d ensure I have well implanted, and tied in place with many subconsciously implanted associations and identifications with, is the idea that mind control does not exist. Like a Jedi mind trick, “these are your own perceptions, prejudices, preferences, and purchases”. That was, after all, just my job. Same as is still currently the job of millions of people, all around the world. [And we even get people to repeat our message… y’know, advanced memetics and such… enculturation and syncretism and ecumenism and fashion and so on]

        Then there’s the whole psychology aspect inside the sociological and historical explorations of “mass formation”, and the totalitarianised psyche. … Seems it would be foolish, even an outright blatant deceit, to claim such only ever arises spontaneously, naturally, and that any who seek to gain political or economic power from it are mere opportunists, and never would, nor even could actively induce such.

        And [gosh I don’t half ramble on… I meant to just mention this as 3rd in a short list 3 paragraphs ago]… Agnotology. The whole agnotology industry. So vast as it is, and yet, they must be good at their job, because I’ve yet to encounter anyone who seems to be aware of it. … Besides the authors of books on it, I suppose, if we’re to have that qualify as encountering them. Agnotology, the study of causing ignorance. At least as it practiced as precursor to its application, what we might call Agnogeny. The generation of ignorance. A significant portion of this industry, is the secrecy classification system, and (as bleeds into), the patent system. “But! The patent system! They show how things work! They’re the opposite of generating ignorance!” I hear my imaginary audience splutter. Ask them (or better yet, their whistleblowers) how many patents they secret a year. … How many of them were for technologies that would have disrupted the economic paradigm and obsoleted various anti-competitive monopolistic and monopsonistic industries that deem themselves “too big to fail”?

        So if we run a little equation in our heads… multiplying advertising, psyops, biohack tech, and agnotology… Seems implausible that “mind control” does not exist.

        Or maybe they’re all wrong, and have just been wasting all that money all that time. XD XD XD XD XD XD LMAO.

        “90% of advertising is wasted” was a maxim I was taught in college, just before leaving to carry on my advertising career … I tell the story about watching a Bill Hicks VHS over and over in the background for the 3 month duration while animating my first TV advert, including his bit starting “Anybody here work in advertising or marketing?”, a lot, so I’ll skip it here, but that’s basically next in the chronology. It was well understood that it’s not really wasted. It’s just that’s not who you’re targeting. And so, to the user (in a flat-maths way, not considering efficacy of targeting influencing what’s even seen [as tech better avails these days]), that means you 90% of the advertising you see, has no discernible impact on you (at least as measured by purchases (as shifting perceptions,prejudices,preferences are harder to put metrics on to track), because those were not the ones targeting you, and so that lends to the false sense of safety, the illusion that you’re more impervious to influence than you are. Making spotting when you are being influenced even harder. “Yes, these are my own thoughts and ideas, my own preferences and I have no prejudices, and these purchases are entirely of my own rational intuition and genuine need and want, all of my own.” XD

        Sorry, wait, what else did you say? I got so snagged by that snare of cunningham’s law, I forgot/overlooked there was more…

        Oh that’s right, that line went on to DARVO and gaslight us out of our due democratic voice by conflating us with the abuser, in saying:

        and it has certainly been weaponized by the owning class, but it’s not mind control and we do not stand above the masses as enlightened rebels who posses minds to a greater degree than they do.

        See how it’s a kind of “truth truth lie”? Beautifully done. Right on the nub, demonstrating the denial and tactics used in mind control to claim there’s no mind control. Heh. There are industries that pay handsomely grotesquely for such skills.

        Buy the trust, “I’m just like you, I hate those nefarious meddlers too”, gets them soft, then can easier implant the conflations and contortions, once they’re operating by association. It’s old tribal stuff in our heads, easy to hijack. Sprinkle in some ego hijacking stuff too… even easier to hoodwink. By whatever they already identify in association with, even easier yet, as that’s right at the survival brain stuff, and the critical thinking forebrain’s barely active at all once triggered, and so wont catch the deceit. … 's all kinda basic stuff, if you work in advertising, and you’re “just doing your job” to the best of your abilities for your client. (… which in itself, I realise in hindsight, a split second after typing that, that phrasing too can be seen as another trust-buying fallacious snare, the expert. Hah, I wish I’d done that intentionally, but nope… over 2 decades since I renounced advertising, still some of those insidious un-epistemological "convince"ings still running their patterns in me, still to be fully exorcised.)

        We have divergent viewpoints because the status quo materially does not work for us, so the ruling ideology does not work for us, so we constructed or are trying to construct an ideology that does work for us, which we do based on the tools we each have and our own limited perspective, leading some people to better solutions and some people to quackery. That and nothing more.

        It’s a comforting slumber, the thought that this situation of [increasing] divergent viewpoints is all headed to inevitable mending of the situation, the obsoletion of the over-homogenising imposers who’ve been causing the misfitting system that increasingly makes things not work, and a cunning gaslight broadbrush carrying the presumption so lamented earlier, like we’re to be silenced as equally (or more) than the rulers, and all praise therefor to the credentialed, as if Quackery’s the problem we’re to react to, demanding a solution. ;]