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    11 hours ago

    I support the people, not the sin

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      10 hours ago

      By calling it sin, you oppress the people.

      Fuck you for choosing death.

      How many more suicides do you think there will be this year alone?

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        How do you explain the resurrection of Christ?

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          Very simple, there is no christ. Jesus died and we don’t have his body. This is not uncommon for the time. Even if the story about the empty tomb is true, an empty tomb does not prove a resurrection.

          “But there were hundreds of witnesses”… according to one witness. We don’t have hundreds of accounts of the resurrection. We have a few, and they disagree with each other.

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            FACT 1: A Jewish Rabbi named Jesus of Nazareth was killed by crucifixion in the first century by Roman executioners.

            FACT 2: Jesus’ followers had real experiences after Jesus’ death that they believed were appearances of Jesus, risen from the dead.

            FACT 3: Jesus’ followers’ lives were transformed as a result of this belief—even to the point of being willing to die for their belief in His resurrection.

            FACT 4: James and Paul – both enemies of Jesus’ message – came to believe in Jesus’ resurrection and became Christians as a result. Both claimed the reason was that Jesus spoke to them after His death.

            FACT 5: Jesus was buried in a tomb in Jerusalem which was found empty shortly after His death.

            these are a series of facts most historians agree with

            The body being stolen and the disciples lying cannot be true due to facts 4, 2 and 3

            hallucination theories are proven false due to fact 4 and 5

            Jesus “didnt really die” theories are disproven due to fact 1 and 4

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              FACT 1: A Jewish Rabbi named Jesus of Nazareth was killed by crucifixion in the first century by Roman executioners.

              Sure, I think something like this happened based on available evidence, though it is scant.

              FACT 2: Jesus’ followers had real experiences after Jesus’ death that they believed were appearances of Jesus, risen from the dead.

              This is not a fact. This is a claim made long after Jesus died. But maybe they believed magic happened, sure.

              FACT 3: Jesus’ followers’ lives were transformed as a result of this belief—even to the point of being willing to die for their belief in His resurrection.

              Some people flew planes into buildings, dying for their beliefs. Does that make them true?

              What happened at Jonestown? Many more people died there, does that make it more true?

              FACT 4: James and Paul – both enemies of Jesus’ message – came to believe in Jesus’ resurrection and became Christians as a result. Both claimed the reason was that Jesus spoke to them after His death.

              Maybe they missed their pal and thought about him a lot.

              FACT 5: Jesus was buried in a tomb in Jerusalem which was found empty shortly after His death.

              Sure.

              these are a series of facts most historians agree with

              None of which suggest the existence of magic. Jesus was a cult leader, and his cult was repurposed to suit someone else’s agenda.

              The body being stolen and the disciples lying cannot be true due to facts 4, 2 and 3

              Yes, both can still be true. People steal bodies, even shortly after death, especially if he was a popular or famous person. People cling to false beliefs even if it kills them, sometimes.

              hallucination theories are proven false due to fact 4 and 5

              No, still perfectly possible.

              Jesus “didnt really die” theories are disproven due to fact 1 and 4

              I find this one unlikely anyway, but it is possible he had a double killed in his place. I suspect he really did die. I have no reason to believe he or anyone else was resurrected after 3 days.