I only just learned today that, when someone from one instance gets banned from another instance, that person not only is no longer able to interact with the second instance, but people from the second instance actually can’t see anything the person said from the moment they got banned even though they’re still there. I’m disappointed to learn all my friends who got banned from my instance are still saying stuff and nobody told me, making it more akin to an instance forcing everyone to block them (because individuals blocking each other the same way work like this). And this is coming from the person who has fantasized about universalization of federation.
What’s something about the fediverse that was most recently unobscured but that you know now?
That’s the entire point of bans.
You don’t want to have to manually block all the spammers and shit posters a decent instance is taking care of for you.
I think it would be better if bans only applied to posting on an instance, and each instance/community would self moderate. If I go to a post, I want to see the whole discussion, and not have certain people hidden from me by my home instance. Let the instance hosting the community filter out spam.
Run your own instance or join a permissive one if you don’t want your instance to moderate trash away.
What you’re describing is a massive downgrade, and also massively adds to the legal exposure of hosting an instance, because you’re serving everything any user of your instance sees. Being able to block bad actors isn’t really an optional feature. You’re effectively asking for your instance to be forced to serve you abusive content.
I understand the liability issue, I guess this is just an inherent tradeoff with how the fediverse works.
I at least think there could be a two stage ban, ‘no posting here’ and ‘block everything’.
Also, defederation could still be used for instances that fail to moderate, although I do agree that fully blocking a user is much preferable to the nuclear option.
It would be a waste of time when no one would use the half ban. They’re banning users because they don’t want to serve whatever they’re posting.
you seem to be annoyed that a remote community can police itself.
your local instance is using some other servers content, of course its going to adhere to the moderation of that remote instance (federated moderation).
if you dont like the moderation of a remote community its your duty to make a new one somewhere else. this happens regularly when lemmy.world or .ml mods go overboard into fedora territory. if users agree, they will follow
That’s not what I’m saying at all. I’m saying it would be best if content on remote instances wasn’t censored when viewed on a local instance, even if that user was banned locally.
I think this problem is hard to get around though with how all content has to be hosted locally.
ha, that content is remote content, even if its cached locally.
Yes? I don’t understand what you’re saying.
youre upset that a remote instance can police its own content. but youre confused why your local copy of their data gets modded… you just dont like the fact that a community can police itself and that that moderation flows to remote copies of their community.
if you really want to circumvent this, you would spin up your own instance and prevent federated moderation. but you have to admit that youre ignoring the wishes of that remote community to moderate their content.
e. now that i think about it, if you get banned at the instance level, well, youre SOL. because they are rejecting you/your addition to their content.
Please re read the original post and my comments. That’s not what I am saying.
I’m saying that ideally moderation SHOULD be handled by the remote instance that hosts the community, and that the local instance should faithfully reflect it without censoring it.
If you’re on an instance with strong moderation and that is not what you want, maybe you should consider opening an account on a more free-wheeling instance. Picking a different instance solves your problem without affecting others’ current experiences.
I picked an instance based on their moderation policy. I want their level of moderation. I want them to block porn and the bigoted BS that some other instances allow. It would be a terrible downgrade in experience if I was at the whim of every other instances’ moderation approach instead of by the instance I selected.