Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich welcomed President-elect Donald Trump’s electoral victory Monday, saying that “the time has come” to extend full Israeli sovereignty over the occupied West Bank.

He made the comment a day after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a recorded statement that he has spoken three times with Trump since the election and that they “see eye to eye on the Iranian threat.

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      This may just be an observation from across the pond, but it feels like the But Gaza people were nothing but a troll farm and y’all got played.

      Man, this whole situation is all kinds of fucked.

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        The “people” bringing it up nonstop on social media might have been state actors or trolls but there were plenty of real people who followed the movement. They’re still “But Gaza!” people regardless of how the idea that they should abstain from voting got into their head.

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        It’s mostly true. Someone was tracking those accounts and nearly all of them stopped posting entirely immediately after the election. Either very dedicated, or astroturfing.

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        Some of us called these people on their shit. They’re all gone now, so at least we have that.

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          Naah. Some of them are still around blaming Harris and democrats for tanking the election.

          It’d be funny if it weren’t so… not funny.

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      The Harris campaign made the decision to not break from Biden on Israel, at the cost of a +6 points gain. That’s the fault of the campaign’s calculations to ignore those voters, take them for granted, and instead run to the right with Liz Cheney and having the most lethal Military.

      I voted for Harris and told others to do the same. It’s still on the campaign. Blaming voters is just sowing division when we need unity and solidarity to fight against Fascism.

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      Our first matchup tested a Democrat and a Republican who “both agree with Israel’s current approach to the conflict in Gaza”. In this case, the generic candidates tied 44–44. The second matchup saw the same Republican facing a Democrat supporting “an immediate ceasefire and a halt of military aid and arms sales to Israel”. Interestingly, the Democrat led 49–43, with Independents and 2020 non-voters driving the bulk of this shift.

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      In Pennsylvania, 34% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for the Democratic nominee if the nominee vowed to withhold weapons to Israel, compared to 7% who said they would be less likely. The rest said it would make no difference. In Arizona, 35% said they’d be more likely, while 5% would be less likely. And in Georgia, 39% said they’d be more likely, also compared to 5% who would be less likely.

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      Majorities of Democrats (67%) and Independents (55%) believe the US should either end support for Israel’s war effort or make that support conditional on a ceasefire. Only 8% of Democrats but 42% of Republicans think the US must support Israel unconditionally.

      Republicans and Independents most often point to immigration as one of Biden’s top foreign policy failures. Democrats most often select the US response to the war in Gaza.

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        Thank you! All these people out here trying to start shit with people protesting a genocide when the Dems just had to take the easiest moral high ground known to man, opposing a genocide. And despite all numbers telling them “this will win you the election” they decided nah, cause we’d rather the Republicans win than even imagine opposing Israel.

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      Why are you so quick to attack the people openly protesting a genocide instead of the party that lost the election because they refused to openly protest a genocide?

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          So, the Democrats who you fully believe would continue genociding palastinians have no blame, and the people who couldn’t morally vote for a slower genocide are to blame. That’s an interesting outlook. It gives 0 agency to the Dems. 0 blame to the party who got handed a piece of paper that said “don’t support genocide or lose the election” and tried to subvert that warning by going for Republican votes.

          Silly silly silly.

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            and the people who couldn’t morally vote for a slower genocide are to blame.

            Slower genocide? Really?

            Trump campaigned on speedrunning the genocide, not slowing it down. It’s not like his intentions weren’t clear.

            The last time Trump got involved in the middle east, he pissed off a whole bunch of people by moving the embassy to Jerusalem, and the only thing his son in law managed to accomplish was getting $2 billion from the Saudis which the family still won’t explain. But this is the guy you essentially endorsed by either voting for Trump or staying home? That’s like stopping yourself from shooting yourself in the foot by pointing the gun at your head instead.

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              Yes, Trump is terrible and obviously worse to anyone to can rationally look at the options. That doesn’t change that the Harris campaign chose to ignore the issue, chose to take those voters for granted, and failed to secure a win.

              If the Harris campaign cared about Palestinian lives, or that aside, even just cared about winning the election, then why would they not change position to Conditional Aid on Israel and gain all those undecided voters? That issue alone would have secured the swing states to Harris.

              Those voters were entirely up for grabs and all it would’ve taken was a single policy change and some humanity for the victims of an ongoing genocide. If the concern was AIPAC influencing the election through campaign ads, then pivoting just before voting began would’ve been the right move. If the campaign was trying to win without those voters, ignoring the grassroots momentum, then we can clearly see that was a failed strategy.

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                Ok, so answer this for me:

                How does either actively voting for Trump, or abstaining from voting knowing it’s a de-facto vote for Trump, help to improve that situation in any way at all?

                In fact, how does allowing Trump to return to power not make the situation actively worse?

                And do you still feel that it was the right choice now, knowing that Israel announced that they plan to annex the west bank with Trump’s blessing?

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                  It doesn’t? Why do you think that’s my view when I’ve already explicitly said I voted for Harris and told others to voter for her too. I’ve already said Trump is actively worse in all aspects.

                  Understanding the faults of the campaign in failing to motivate tens of millions of voters doesn’t change any of that. It is still ultimately the responsibility of the campaign to galvanize voters. Understanding why they failed to do that is what I’m doing

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                    Ok, but the question mostly still stands. (Note, none of what I’m about to say is directed at you specifically. I’m using “you” in the general sense here.)

                    Explain the logic in that reasoning. Explain the logic in protesting Harris’s support for Israel by allowing Trump to return to power, knowing he is going to make things actively worse. And if there is no logic in their reasoning, how was Harris supposed to appeal to them? Wouldn’t that necessarily mean that any attempts at getting their vote was doomed from the start anyway?

                    And for all the outrage we’ve been hearing about from them about Harris’s support of Israel, why is the same community largely responding with crickets when Trump and Netanyahu announce their plans to fulfill their promise to ratchet up the genocide?

                    Seriously. Make it make sense. Because to me, if you’re outraged over Harris supporting Israel because of the Gaza genocide but aren’t even more outraged over this announcement, then your problem with Harris wasn’t actually her support of Israel now, was it?