• Mandy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    51·
    1 year ago

    but like, in a country that isnt run by companys as hard as usa, the latter is the default. nothing more nothing less. Are unions so busted in america even they cant help but filled with corruption?

    • Catradora-Stalinism☭@lemmygrad.ml
      33·
      1 year ago

      During and still after the Cold war the US used state intelligence and right wing fanatics to break US labor power. The US is a country with low political intelligence and solidarity because of it.

    • jscummy@sh.itjust.works
      23·
      1 year ago

      It depends on the industry and honestly I’d be surprised if some unions in your country are not similar or worse. I’m in Chicago, which is one of the country’s biggest union strongholds, and construction unions here are often shitty and corrupt. Unions will bully and fight dirty against competing companies, sometimes even getting in spats between local chapters

      • Mandy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        41·
        1 year ago

        if such a thing is present in my countries unions is so minuscule that its inconsequential, but if fairly confident (no country is perfect but you get my point) my countries isnt even close to whatever hellhole usa unions are

        • jscummy@sh.itjust.works
          2·
          1 year ago

          Might be a difference in the role the union has fallen into. The unions I’m talking about have been given way too much power through cronyism over the years, and at this point act more like a trade association/cartel acting for the businesses against other businesses, not for the workers against management

          • Mandy@sh.itjust.works
            2·
            1 year ago

            See cronyism isjt even possible and very much not allowed in mine and some other countries (can’t speak for everyone of course) And unions as again, other countries as well only have as much power as workers choosing then, no workers? No power Majority of workers use them? Now they finally have the weight they need

            That’s what I imagine and hope is the default outside america, or at least it should be

            • jscummy@sh.itjust.works
              1·
              1 year ago

              Yeah my American brain has trouble comprehending a system where cronyism isn’t possible. Here most unions have an associated PAC and are very active with political donations and lobbying

              • random65837@lemmy.world
                1·
                1 year ago

                That place doesnt exist. There are cronys everywhere. Youre falling victim to socialist propaganda where “Everybody is equal”, thats bullshit. Every country on the planet has super huge rich companies, billionaires that have connections, bribes and payoffs.

                No different than the " free" healthcare fallacy. Just because its not itemized, peolple convince themselves by they didn’t pay for it. Thats what theyre doing, thats how all the anticapitalist bullshit happens, which is hilarious when its a Union doing it, since hard work paying off and being able to further yourself as a result of that literally being what capitalism is all about.