When “they” make a statement it’s bad, when “we” make a statement it’s good.
It’s pretty standard tribalist thinking.
Whilst not at all exclusive to people of the Far Right (it’s a natural tendency in all of us which, IMHO, we need to be alert for and stop it when it pops up in ourselves), tribalism it is the core (maybe even the entire foundation) of Far Right authoritarian “ideologies” (the non-authoritarian ones, like Neoliberalism, also exploit other human cognitive weaknesses).
Yes, the difference is see is that the liberal tent is bigger, so bullshit tends to get called out more. Not always but slightly better.
The right is such a unit, they literarily had no problem voting for a rapist, insurrectionist, criminal because he had a R next to his name. It’s scary group think.
Whilst it’s my impression that the Left tends to have more people who challenge such thinking, I would say that the phenomenom of Tankies shows that part of the Left are just as purelly tribalist as the Far Right.
That said, Liberal and Left aren’t the same thing and, at least judging by the posts I see in Lemmy from American Democrat Party supporters, most are just as tribalist as the Republicans, just loyal to a different tribe. Similarly those whose take on Equality is that it’s a war of identities are hugelly tribalist: I don’t think you can go around seeing people as being divided in groups defined by genetics alone (rather than, say, individual behaviour) and claim that people from certain genetically-defined groups are inherently good or bad, without being a tribalist.
In my observation its pretty common for uncritical bubbles to form around “Identities” because criticism of the structure, fairness or effectiveness of the general ideolical thinking itself is quickly branded as an insult to the Identity and all people deemed to belong to it, and this happens just as much with the Fascist “identities” (such as how criticizing the Israeli Genocide, that is labelled anti-semitism) as with the Neoliberal “identities” (such as how if you point out the unequal treatement of men and women in Courts when it comes to custody of the children on a divorce, that is label anti-Women).
Amongst people with Liberal-leanings I would say that maybe the ones who are also Left-leaning or those whose Liberalism is pure (i.e. genuinelly about Freedom equally for all, which curiously also makes them a lot more Left since Money and Ownership in our society de facto control most Freedom) are the ones with less tendency to be tribalist. Then again, that’s a pretty sophisticated political position to take and I don’t really think there is any big group out there pushing it as a “packaged” slogan-heavy full ideology, so maybe those people just don’t have much of a tribe to feel like they belong to.
When “they” make a statement it’s bad, when “we” make a statement it’s good.
It’s pretty standard tribalist thinking.
Whilst not at all exclusive to people of the Far Right (it’s a natural tendency in all of us which, IMHO, we need to be alert for and stop it when it pops up in ourselves), tribalism it is the core (maybe even the entire foundation) of Far Right authoritarian “ideologies” (the non-authoritarian ones, like Neoliberalism, also exploit other human cognitive weaknesses).
Yes, the difference is see is that the liberal tent is bigger, so bullshit tends to get called out more. Not always but slightly better.
The right is such a unit, they literarily had no problem voting for a rapist, insurrectionist, criminal because he had a R next to his name. It’s scary group think.
Whilst it’s my impression that the Left tends to have more people who challenge such thinking, I would say that the phenomenom of Tankies shows that part of the Left are just as purelly tribalist as the Far Right.
That said, Liberal and Left aren’t the same thing and, at least judging by the posts I see in Lemmy from American Democrat Party supporters, most are just as tribalist as the Republicans, just loyal to a different tribe. Similarly those whose take on Equality is that it’s a war of identities are hugelly tribalist: I don’t think you can go around seeing people as being divided in groups defined by genetics alone (rather than, say, individual behaviour) and claim that people from certain genetically-defined groups are inherently good or bad, without being a tribalist.
In my observation its pretty common for uncritical bubbles to form around “Identities” because criticism of the structure, fairness or effectiveness of the general ideolical thinking itself is quickly branded as an insult to the Identity and all people deemed to belong to it, and this happens just as much with the Fascist “identities” (such as how criticizing the Israeli Genocide, that is labelled anti-semitism) as with the Neoliberal “identities” (such as how if you point out the unequal treatement of men and women in Courts when it comes to custody of the children on a divorce, that is label anti-Women).
Amongst people with Liberal-leanings I would say that maybe the ones who are also Left-leaning or those whose Liberalism is pure (i.e. genuinelly about Freedom equally for all, which curiously also makes them a lot more Left since Money and Ownership in our society de facto control most Freedom) are the ones with less tendency to be tribalist. Then again, that’s a pretty sophisticated political position to take and I don’t really think there is any big group out there pushing it as a “packaged” slogan-heavy full ideology, so maybe those people just don’t have much of a tribe to feel like they belong to.