Though, I guess you can be rational and wrong if you start from false premises.
Biden, and any other American president, can end Israeli wars with a single phone call.
Reagan did it.
Bush did it.
Clinton did it.
In fact, the Israeli military systematically doesn’t know how to end wars because they’ve never had to do it. America has always ended their wars.
It’s literally an aspect of their political ideology:
‘Oh our party can’t be blamed for the war goals not being accomplished. We had to stop because America’
You’re either so horrifically ignorant of recent history (my still living father is older than the state of Israel) that any opinion you spout can be tossed out (no matter how rational), or you know this and are trying to actively provide cover for a president who was happy with the slaughter of mostly children.
Which is it?
Edit: and to be exact, it’s 77 years. And the US wasn’t exactly friendly at the start due to the perceived communist sympathies of the young state. You know, the whole cold war thing? You may have heard of it?
Reagan started the 3 billion in military aid to Israel and the other two you mentioned continued it. And this is the very thing Biden is criticized for.
You say they ended wars with phone calls, without specifically saying what you’re referring to. But I can guess the following two things are true of Reagan, Bush, and Clinton: 1) they weren’t dealing with Netanyahu, and 2) they weren’t dealing with Hamas. Netanyahu was clearly not interested in ending the war until his buddy Trump was president, so there never was an option to bring “peace with a phone call”. Biden held back weapons to Israel, taking flak from how own party to do so - did any of his predecessors?
I’m not here to say Biden did enough, but you guys and the pro Israel side have something in common - you have a particular hate for Biden.
There is nothing rational about you. It’s impossible to be rational with absolutely no historical knowledge.
It doesn’t matter who the leader of Israel is.
Israel isn’t a real country. It doesn’t exist without continuous US funding. In fact, a third of ALL U.S. foreign aid has gone to Israel. Without free cash from the US, Israel goes bankrupt. Without free weapons from America, Israel goes bankrupt.
Any American president, at any time, can end any Israeli war with a phone call. That is, in fact, how all Israeli wars have ended. It’s actually hurt Israel because they don’t know how to set achievable war goals. Instead their wars end when America demands they do.
This is also the same deal Hamas had accepted since may. You mention them like they have been an impediment to the peace negotiations.
Biden held back one shipment of 2,000 lb bombs. A weapon that our military doctrine doesn’t allow us to use near population centers due to the likelihood of civilian casualties, and Israel wanted to drop them in one of the most densely populated places on earth.
Note that I said one shipment. We did provide them other shipments of 2000 lb. The only reason he held up that one shipment was to earn the respect of the utterly, foolishly gullible. Of course, he was required by the Leahy Law to stop all shipments to Israel.
Assuming good faith, which is a stretch at this point, you are utterly and completely ignorant of this topic.
Yeah, I have a hate-on for any worthless fucks that commit genocide. And when you have the power to end it, and don’t, then you are responsible for it.
Now, before you complain about me not providing links, spend 5 seconds trying to educate yourself by using Google. I’m not going to provide links proving the sky is blue, either. Some things you are responsible for finding out yourself.
I don’t have a duty to google to find sources that you won’t provide, nor guess at what your point is. I don’t actually have access to the thoughts in your head beyond what you have written.
There is nothing rational about you. It’s impossible to be rational with absolutely no historical knowledge.
Ad hominem, ignored. If my arguments are irrational, feel free to point out how.
It doesn’t matter who the leader of Israel is… Any American president, at any time, can end any Israeli war with a phone call.
I’ll summarize this point by saying you’re arguing in essence that if Biden demanded an end to the war, it would end because Israel would run out of weapons. This leaves out several other possibilities, the most notable of which is that Democrats are voted out by (usually democratic-voting) jews and Trump takes office and gives Israel whatever they want. Another possibility is Israel allying with Russia or China to get the weapons they need. Either way, the war continues. I happen to think Biden should’ve cut them off anyway, but the point I’m arguing is that every other president would’ve done no more than Biden did. To think otherwise is really a rather far left view that has never been popular is US politics.
Biden held back one shipment of 2,000 lb bombs
I don’t know the details of what Biden did and didn’t pause, this article seems to include more bombs and Trump’s actions ending the pause seems to suggest that it was an ongoing pause of all shipments. But that’s besides the point. The point is, I’m not aware of any other president doing that. I’m also aware of the current president undoing that pause, with little opposition. Which demonstrates how politically suicidal it is to cut off Israel entirely.
And when you have the power to end it, and don’t, then you are responsible for it.
If. The voters used their power to put Trump in office after he was quite clear about wanting Netanyahu to do whatever he wants in Gaza and even the West Bank. I think that says a lot about Biden’s abilities. I think Palestinians and their activist “friends” need to ask themselves some hard questions about how they fumbled winning popular support for ending a genocide.
Now, before you complain about me not providing links, spend 5 seconds trying to educate yourself by using Google.
I completely reject this as impractical and harmful to discussions everywhere. If something is not common knowledge and can be doubted, you need to provide a source. Think about it. The alternative is that I am left to either 1) Trust some random person on the internet or 2) do the work myself to find out, which in your case also involves trying to figure out what you’re even trying to say first, or 3) just assert the opposite without providing a source is response. Most people choose 1) if it’s someone they already agree with, and 3) if it’s someone they disagree with. This is why we have so many culty filter bubbles. Cite your sources. Not only for me, but also for you so you can verify that your memory is correct, and end up making a better point as a result.
I don’t have a duty to google to find sources that you won’t provide, nor guess at what your point is. I don’t actually have access to the thoughts in your head beyond what you have written.
I’ll summarize this point by saying you’re arguing in essence that if Biden demanded an end to the war, it would end because Israel would run out of weapons. This leaves out several other possibilities, the most notable of which is that Democrats are voted out by (usually democratic-voting) jews and Trump takes office and gives Israel whatever they want.
To think otherwise is really a rather far left view that has never been popular is US politics.
Far left… Like Reagan? Again, I provided you the link, did you even click it? This isn’t rational.
Another possibility is Israel allying with Russia or China to get the weapons they need. Either way, the war continues. I happen to think Biden should’ve cut them off anyway, but the point I’m arguing is that every other president would’ve done no more than Biden did.
LOL. How to say you know nothing about geopolitics without saying you know nothing about geopolitics.
Countries are not fungible. Other countries have different views and different alliances than our country does.
Again, countries are not fungible.
Furthermore, you are ignoring how much fucking money we give them.
If. The voters used their power to put Trump in office after he was quite clear about wanting Netanyahu to do whatever he wants in Gaza and even the West Bank. I think that says a lot about Biden’s abilities.
Not if. I provided you link, you just took offense at the format and didn’t follow through.
I completely reject this as impractical and harmful to discussions everywhere. If something is not common knowledge and can be doubted, you need to provide a source. Think about it. The alternative is that I am left to either 1) Trust some random person on the internet or 2) do the work myself to find out, which in your case also involves trying to figure out what you’re even trying to say first, or 3) just assert the opposite without providing a source is response. Most people choose 1) if it’s someone they already agree with, and 3) if it’s someone they disagree with. This is why we have so many culty filter bubbles. Cite your sources. Not only for me, but also for you so you can verify that your memory is correct, and end up making a better point as a result.
It’s funny how this doesn’t apply to your (wrong) assertions that justify your (wrong) viewpoint.
Go justify your favorite presidents genocide somewhere else.
You do have a responsibility to have some understanding of the topic you’re commenting on. It’s not other peoples responsibility to teach you. Especially when you refuse to actually follow links or read things.
Yes, but here’s the problem: I don’t know you were referring to the top link, nor would it make sense for me to assume that you were. After all, the top link refers to a phone call Reagan made 1) to a different Israeli president 2) in a different war 3) against an entirely different group 4) in which the lengthy article, from what I can tell, doesn’t actually specify that the call had any particular effect. Of course, in reality Israel’s attack on Lebanon continued for a month and a half after this article was published. Nowhere does it specify that Reagan took the step of cutting off any weapons whatsoever, as Biden did. So it would actually be the height of irrationality for me to assume this was support for your point, as it doesn’t support it at all.
To reiterate, my point is that Biden had reason to presume that in some alternate universe (that doesn’t actually exist and cannot be polled today) if he had cut off aid to Israel it would’ve alienated Jewish voters and lost the election. The poll you provided not only cannot relate to that point, but it doesn’t even include option for insufficient support for Israel. But I do know both from my own discussions with Jewish voters and articles like this one that “weakness against Hamas” drove many pro-Israel jews to support Trump this election. It was a lose-lose situation. Y’all could’ve helped garner a bit of sympathy by maybe not chanting edgy slogans that are designed to sound scary, and skipping the spraypainting of neighborhoods and late night loud camping events on campuses. Of course Hamas could’ve also helped by not filming themselves murdering white teenagers just trying to have a party. That’s who the blame for the failure to stop Israel really lies with.
LOL. How to say you know nothing about geopolitics without saying you know nothing about geopolitics.
Well then neither does Netanyahu, who had been quite openly friendly with Putin up until the Hamas attacks and China thereafter.
It’s not other peoples responsibility to teach you.
It actually is though. I’m not demanding to be taught, you’re the one who volunteered to teach me. You can’t then assign me homework. Any business owner will tell you that if you want your bill to be paid, you should make it easy to be paid - provide many forms of payment, send an envelope, etc. Likewise, if you want to be heard, make it easy to listen.
So much for the rational bit of your username.
Though, I guess you can be rational and wrong if you start from false premises.
Biden, and any other American president, can end Israeli wars with a single phone call.
Reagan did it.
Bush did it.
Clinton did it.
In fact, the Israeli military systematically doesn’t know how to end wars because they’ve never had to do it. America has always ended their wars.
It’s literally an aspect of their political ideology:
‘Oh our party can’t be blamed for the war goals not being accomplished. We had to stop because America’
You’re either so horrifically ignorant of recent history (my still living father is older than the state of Israel) that any opinion you spout can be tossed out (no matter how rational), or you know this and are trying to actively provide cover for a president who was happy with the slaughter of mostly children.
Which is it?
Edit: and to be exact, it’s 77 years. And the US wasn’t exactly friendly at the start due to the perceived communist sympathies of the young state. You know, the whole cold war thing? You may have heard of it?
Reagan started the 3 billion in military aid to Israel and the other two you mentioned continued it. And this is the very thing Biden is criticized for.
You say they ended wars with phone calls, without specifically saying what you’re referring to. But I can guess the following two things are true of Reagan, Bush, and Clinton: 1) they weren’t dealing with Netanyahu, and 2) they weren’t dealing with Hamas. Netanyahu was clearly not interested in ending the war until his buddy Trump was president, so there never was an option to bring “peace with a phone call”. Biden held back weapons to Israel, taking flak from how own party to do so - did any of his predecessors?
I’m not here to say Biden did enough, but you guys and the pro Israel side have something in common - you have a particular hate for Biden.
…
Really?
That is your response?
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Reagan+Israel+war
There is nothing rational about you. It’s impossible to be rational with absolutely no historical knowledge.
It doesn’t matter who the leader of Israel is. Israel isn’t a real country. It doesn’t exist without continuous US funding. In fact, a third of ALL U.S. foreign aid has gone to Israel. Without free cash from the US, Israel goes bankrupt. Without free weapons from America, Israel goes bankrupt.
Any American president, at any time, can end any Israeli war with a phone call. That is, in fact, how all Israeli wars have ended. It’s actually hurt Israel because they don’t know how to set achievable war goals. Instead their wars end when America demands they do.
This is also the same deal Hamas had accepted since may. You mention them like they have been an impediment to the peace negotiations.
Biden held back one shipment of 2,000 lb bombs. A weapon that our military doctrine doesn’t allow us to use near population centers due to the likelihood of civilian casualties, and Israel wanted to drop them in one of the most densely populated places on earth.
Note that I said one shipment. We did provide them other shipments of 2000 lb. The only reason he held up that one shipment was to earn the respect of the utterly, foolishly gullible. Of course, he was required by the Leahy Law to stop all shipments to Israel.
Assuming good faith, which is a stretch at this point, you are utterly and completely ignorant of this topic.
Yeah, I have a hate-on for any worthless fucks that commit genocide. And when you have the power to end it, and don’t, then you are responsible for it.
Now, before you complain about me not providing links, spend 5 seconds trying to educate yourself by using Google. I’m not going to provide links proving the sky is blue, either. Some things you are responsible for finding out yourself.
I don’t have a duty to google to find sources that you won’t provide, nor guess at what your point is. I don’t actually have access to the thoughts in your head beyond what you have written.
Ad hominem, ignored. If my arguments are irrational, feel free to point out how.
I’ll summarize this point by saying you’re arguing in essence that if Biden demanded an end to the war, it would end because Israel would run out of weapons. This leaves out several other possibilities, the most notable of which is that Democrats are voted out by (usually democratic-voting) jews and Trump takes office and gives Israel whatever they want. Another possibility is Israel allying with Russia or China to get the weapons they need. Either way, the war continues. I happen to think Biden should’ve cut them off anyway, but the point I’m arguing is that every other president would’ve done no more than Biden did. To think otherwise is really a rather far left view that has never been popular is US politics.
I don’t know the details of what Biden did and didn’t pause, this article seems to include more bombs and Trump’s actions ending the pause seems to suggest that it was an ongoing pause of all shipments. But that’s besides the point. The point is, I’m not aware of any other president doing that. I’m also aware of the current president undoing that pause, with little opposition. Which demonstrates how politically suicidal it is to cut off Israel entirely.
If. The voters used their power to put Trump in office after he was quite clear about wanting Netanyahu to do whatever he wants in Gaza and even the West Bank. I think that says a lot about Biden’s abilities. I think Palestinians and their activist “friends” need to ask themselves some hard questions about how they fumbled winning popular support for ending a genocide.
I completely reject this as impractical and harmful to discussions everywhere. If something is not common knowledge and can be doubted, you need to provide a source. Think about it. The alternative is that I am left to either 1) Trust some random person on the internet or 2) do the work myself to find out, which in your case also involves trying to figure out what you’re even trying to say first, or 3) just assert the opposite without providing a source is response. Most people choose 1) if it’s someone they already agree with, and 3) if it’s someone they disagree with. This is why we have so many culty filter bubbles. Cite your sources. Not only for me, but also for you so you can verify that your memory is correct, and end up making a better point as a result.
Apparently not even to click a link. Did you click it? Or did you just get offended at the “Let me google that for you” method? This is literally the top link: https://www.nytimes.com/1982/08/13/world/reagan-demands-end-to-attacks-in-a-blunt-telephone-call-to-begin.html
https://www.imeupolicyproject.org/postelection-polling
This is wrong.
Far left… Like Reagan? Again, I provided you the link, did you even click it? This isn’t rational.
LOL. How to say you know nothing about geopolitics without saying you know nothing about geopolitics.
Countries are not fungible. Other countries have different views and different alliances than our country does.
Again, countries are not fungible.
Furthermore, you are ignoring how much fucking money we give them.
Not if. I provided you link, you just took offense at the format and didn’t follow through.
It’s funny how this doesn’t apply to your (wrong) assertions that justify your (wrong) viewpoint.
Go justify your favorite presidents genocide somewhere else.
You do have a responsibility to have some understanding of the topic you’re commenting on. It’s not other peoples responsibility to teach you. Especially when you refuse to actually follow links or read things.
Yes, but here’s the problem: I don’t know you were referring to the top link, nor would it make sense for me to assume that you were. After all, the top link refers to a phone call Reagan made 1) to a different Israeli president 2) in a different war 3) against an entirely different group 4) in which the lengthy article, from what I can tell, doesn’t actually specify that the call had any particular effect. Of course, in reality Israel’s attack on Lebanon continued for a month and a half after this article was published. Nowhere does it specify that Reagan took the step of cutting off any weapons whatsoever, as Biden did. So it would actually be the height of irrationality for me to assume this was support for your point, as it doesn’t support it at all.
To reiterate, my point is that Biden had reason to presume that in some alternate universe (that doesn’t actually exist and cannot be polled today) if he had cut off aid to Israel it would’ve alienated Jewish voters and lost the election. The poll you provided not only cannot relate to that point, but it doesn’t even include option for insufficient support for Israel. But I do know both from my own discussions with Jewish voters and articles like this one that “weakness against Hamas” drove many pro-Israel jews to support Trump this election. It was a lose-lose situation. Y’all could’ve helped garner a bit of sympathy by maybe not chanting edgy slogans that are designed to sound scary, and skipping the spraypainting of neighborhoods and late night loud camping events on campuses. Of course Hamas could’ve also helped by not filming themselves murdering white teenagers just trying to have a party. That’s who the blame for the failure to stop Israel really lies with.
Well then neither does Netanyahu, who had been quite openly friendly with Putin up until the Hamas attacks and China thereafter.
It actually is though. I’m not demanding to be taught, you’re the one who volunteered to teach me. You can’t then assign me homework. Any business owner will tell you that if you want your bill to be paid, you should make it easy to be paid - provide many forms of payment, send an envelope, etc. Likewise, if you want to be heard, make it easy to listen.