They let their city turn to shit (if you ignore the lore about the city being cursed or whatever), so why do they deserve someone else to fix their mess?
Same as in America, Americans have stood by and let their country turn to shit, do they deserve someone to save them? Nope, but they fucking need it.
Typical victim blaming bullshit. In an inherently corrupt system like that of Gotham or IRL New York or the US in general, 90%+ of the people don’t really have any meaningful control over what the elite does with society.
To blame the oppressed rather than rebel against the oppressors is some useful idiot shit.
People can always rise up and overthrow their leaders. There are countless examples of this happening across the globe and time, the problem is too many are comfortable with their safety in the status quo.
People can always rise up and overthrow their leaders
Sure… Because overthrowing a government that doesn’t care about civilian casualties and is backed by the most bloated and over-funded military and police in the history of the world is TOTALLY doable! 🙄
Especially when the nominal political opposition cares more about norms and procedures than actually resisting fascism.
There are countless examples
None of them with an elite anywhere near as insulated from public pressure as this one, though.
the problem is too many the only ones with the power to fight it are comfortable with their safety in the status quo.
Well, no nation can function without it’s citizens, else there would be no workers.
It’s much more to get a critical mass of people to act in the same way, because they’re fed up.
If that critical mass is reached it doesn’t matter how strong the military is. If they shoot everybody down, there would be no nation anymore.
But it’s hard to reach that critical mass, as politics like to divide an conquer, and let the people fight against each other, because they just blame a specific group of people for some problem.
It’s always the all over shadowing enemy, that is just a small minority we can hate eradicate easily, because they are weaker.
As long as people fall for the fascist bullshit, we won’t see any reasonable grass roots mass movements happening, because one group falls after another and so they all need to fight for themselves.
Maybe I got off track a little in the end, but I tried to sew it together still ;-)
I’m not licking boots, I’m just pushing back against the narrative that the ruling elite bears none of the blame because the population at large is in control and even if we AREN’T, we can just overthrow them on a whim if we feel like it.
I’m 100% for overthrowing the oppressive kakistocracy. I’m just not in favor of victim blaming or under any illusions about how difficult it’s going to be.
“Because he’s the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now”
Because the hero Gotham needed was Harvey Dent. Gotham needed hope, which Harvey represented. If Gotham knew that Harvey went evil, then it would have shown that the Joker was right. It would have shaken peoples faith and motivation to do good.
It’s because the movies are written by christopher nolan, and that guy does not have good politics. The other guy is right with their explanation, but the underlying message is, as you say, pretty much total nonsense.
He’s not the hero we deserve, but he’s the hero we need.
…I never understood that line. Like, why wouldn’t the people deserve a hero?
Of coarse, that’s assuming you take the movies POV, and think of Batman as the hero.
I mean, I don’t. But if you think he’s the hero of the movie, why would gotham not deserve him?
And in Luigis case, I DO think of him as the hero of the story. But I also think we deserve him.
So, I never got that phrase.
Because the people are to blame for the problem.
They let their city turn to shit (if you ignore the lore about the city being cursed or whatever), so why do they deserve someone else to fix their mess?
Same as in America, Americans have stood by and let their country turn to shit, do they deserve someone to save them? Nope, but they fucking need it.
Typical victim blaming bullshit. In an inherently corrupt system like that of Gotham or IRL New York or the US in general, 90%+ of the people don’t really have any meaningful control over what the elite does with society.
To blame the oppressed rather than rebel against the oppressors is some useful idiot shit.
People can always rise up and overthrow their leaders. There are countless examples of this happening across the globe and time, the problem is too many are comfortable with their safety in the status quo.
Sure… Because overthrowing a government that doesn’t care about civilian casualties and is backed by the most bloated and over-funded military and police in the history of the world is TOTALLY doable! 🙄
Especially when the nominal political opposition cares more about norms and procedures than actually resisting fascism.
None of them with an elite anywhere near as insulated from public pressure as this one, though.
Fixed it for you.
Well, no nation can function without it’s citizens, else there would be no workers.
It’s much more to get a critical mass of people to act in the same way, because they’re fed up.
If that critical mass is reached it doesn’t matter how strong the military is. If they shoot everybody down, there would be no nation anymore.
But it’s hard to reach that critical mass, as politics like to divide an conquer, and let the people fight against each other, because they just blame a specific group of people for some problem.
It’s always the all over shadowing enemy, that is just a small minority we can hate eradicate easily, because they are weaker.
As long as people fall for the fascist bullshit, we won’t see any reasonable grass roots mass movements happening, because one group falls after another and so they all need to fight for themselves.
Maybe I got off track a little in the end, but I tried to sew it together still ;-)
coward defeatists will lick the boot
I’m not licking boots, I’m just pushing back against the narrative that the ruling elite bears none of the blame because the population at large is in control and even if we AREN’T, we can just overthrow them on a whim if we feel like it.
I’m 100% for overthrowing the oppressive kakistocracy. I’m just not in favor of victim blaming or under any illusions about how difficult it’s going to be.
You’re completely butchering the meaning of that line and and any cursory amount of research can tell you that.
“Because he’s the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now”
Because the hero Gotham needed was Harvey Dent. Gotham needed hope, which Harvey represented. If Gotham knew that Harvey went evil, then it would have shown that the Joker was right. It would have shaken peoples faith and motivation to do good.
The line never said people didn’t deserve a hero.
It’s because the movies are written by christopher nolan, and that guy does not have good politics. The other guy is right with their explanation, but the underlying message is, as you say, pretty much total nonsense.