Kelly Roskam of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Violence Solutions discusses a Supreme Court case that will decide if a federal law prohibiting possession of firearms by people subject to domestic violence protection orders is constitutional

  • HelixDab2@lemm.ee
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    8 months ago

    People also argue that China is more free than the US because people aren’t burdened with the need to choose which party they prefer, or worry about speech that may run counter to the party’s beliefs. And hey!, they have healthcare!

    Personally, I believe in civil rights, including the ability to be a religious fundamentalist of any stripe, to say dumb shit that’s devoid of reason without being politically persecuted for it, the right to freedom from unreasonable search and seizure (all of which are constantly being eroded by SCOTUS), and yes, the right to own the firearms of your own choice.

    Anyway, rights are not people, people are more important.

    By this argument, you could claim that an absolute totalitarian gov’t that allowed no freedom of any kind and ruthlessly prevented any criminal activity would be a better choice than a style of governance that allowed for any person freedom at all, since all freedoms can be misused in ways that cause harm. By eliminating all rights, you ensure that the gov’t has the ability to keep the maximum number of people safe and secure. You don’t even have to go that far; you could claim that speech that is politically unpopular should be criminalized, that any religion to the right of Unitarian Universalists causes harm to people and society and should be excised, that it’s necessary for the police to have broad search and seizure authority to prevent harmful activities, and so on and so forth.

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      8 months ago

      By going from revisiting the 2nd amendment straight to Chinese totalitarianism you’re showing a complete lack of nuance and critical thinking which makes your opinion less than interesting to me.

      There are plenty of countries which exercise gun control and they’re not any less free than the US. Many are more tolerant, more progressive and their societies are fairer and more equatable for everyone.

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        8 months ago

        Congrats! I, too, don’t care about the opinions of people that wish to limit civil rights for individuals!

        Just to point out, many of those societies with gun control that were traditionally more tolerant and progressive are also trending right and limiting civil rights at alarming rates. Sweden is trying to make (has made?) burning a Q’uran a crime. France has banned the niqab in numerous public places, and Marine Le Pen keeps getting more and more popular. So if the choice is being armed while fascists are taking power, versus being unarmed while fascists are taking power, I’m gonna take the former every time.

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          8 months ago

          It’s interesting that you point to the erosion of rights in other countries when the US is on a similar trajectory and yet all the gun humpers here are showing not even the smallest desire to do anything about it. You just played yourself. Not that you care.

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            8 months ago

            You seem to think that I’m conservative.

            I’m not.

            Aside from being involved in mutual aid groups, there is–sadly–not a lot that a single individual can do to reform society.