I hate this myth. If you want to put 1GB of stuff in ram, it will take up 1GB of space. I don’t understand why people keep trying to justify the 8GB as “oh but it’s somehow different” and handwaving it away.
Not only is it not different, it’s shared between the cpu and the gpu, so if anything there’s less effective total space when you’re doing graphics stuff like games as there’s no dedicated VRAM.
Yes, swap is very fast between memory and storage, and that does make it feel faster when you overflow out of the ram capacity, but that’s nothing to do with the cpu architecture. Any cpu can connect to very fast storage.
Right, but the latency of the swap is much quicker. So in essence you can squeeze more out of 8GB when optimized properly. Obviously memory is memory, but how that memory can be used is one of the keys to the M architecture.
You’re not getting more out of 8gb, you’re getting more out of the swap speed. its hitting the SSD at that point and you’re going to be sharing the bandwidth on those lanes with whatever else needs the SSD during that time
That won’t matter much though. For productivity that setup will work quite well, but for gaming where you need data from memory ASAP and consistently fast, even those SSD swaps will cause jittering, especially if it’s also shared with the GPU.
I see lot of discussion justifying 8gb vs higher. I think we can go round and round around this topic all day. But thing is ram is cheap just fucking put more ram in apple. Freaking base steam deck is selling for 350dollars? Has 16gb ram and apple device will cost at least 1000 dollars just put in more ram. They can always make more money by selling higher storage options.
I hate this myth. If you want to put 1GB of stuff in ram, it will take up 1GB of space. I don’t understand why people keep trying to justify the 8GB as “oh but it’s somehow different” and handwaving it away.
Not only is it not different, it’s shared between the cpu and the gpu, so if anything there’s less effective total space when you’re doing graphics stuff like games as there’s no dedicated VRAM.
Yes, swap is very fast between memory and storage, and that does make it feel faster when you overflow out of the ram capacity, but that’s nothing to do with the cpu architecture. Any cpu can connect to very fast storage.
Right, but the latency of the swap is much quicker. So in essence you can squeeze more out of 8GB when optimized properly. Obviously memory is memory, but how that memory can be used is one of the keys to the M architecture.
You’re not getting more out of 8gb, you’re getting more out of the swap speed. its hitting the SSD at that point and you’re going to be sharing the bandwidth on those lanes with whatever else needs the SSD during that time
That’s what I said lol
Ah I think my brain just interpreted what you said differently.
That won’t matter much though. For productivity that setup will work quite well, but for gaming where you need data from memory ASAP and consistently fast, even those SSD swaps will cause jittering, especially if it’s also shared with the GPU.
I see lot of discussion justifying 8gb vs higher. I think we can go round and round around this topic all day. But thing is ram is cheap just fucking put more ram in apple. Freaking base steam deck is selling for 350dollars? Has 16gb ram and apple device will cost at least 1000 dollars just put in more ram. They can always make more money by selling higher storage options.