The secretary of state, heading to talks with Ukrainian officials in Saudi Arabia, said future talks with Moscow will be needed to determine what Russia is willing to give up to end the war.

Secretary of State Marco Rubio said on Monday that Ukraine would have to make concessions over land that Russia had taken since 2014 as part of any agreement to end the war.

Mr. Rubio spoke as he was flying to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, for talks with senior Ukrainian officials, and 10 days after a contentious White House meeting between President Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky. The Trump administration halted military aid to Ukraine after the blowup, which centered on Mr. Trump’s refusal to include any security guarantees in a proposed deal involving Ukraine’s natural resources.

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  • alkbch@lemmy.mlEnglish
    1·
    6 hours ago

    None of these statements actually back a Ukrainian bid to join NATO today.

    • Pelicanen@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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      4 hours ago

      Ukraine is currently in a war and already pretty early on after the start of the full-scale invasion there were discussions that a country joining during wartime is not something that seemed plausible but that a membership when the conflict is over is something that almost all members stand behind.

      You mentioned nothing about it being effective immediately in your initial comment and only claimed that virtually no NATO members want Ukraine to join.

      • alkbch@lemmy.mlEnglish
        11·
        2 hours ago

        Ukraine today consider Crimea, and the Eastern regions belongs to Ukraine. No country wants Ukraine, as defined in the previous sentence, to join NATO.

        • Pelicanen@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          1·
          2 hours ago

          Now you’re just moving the goalposts and playing with words. Your initial comment only said

          NATO membership is off the table, virtually no NATO country wants Ukraine to join.

          Which is absolute nonsense.

          • alkbch@lemmy.mlEnglish
            1·
            1 hour ago

            There is no nonsense and no goalpost moving. Virtually no country wants Ukraine to join right now. The best you can find is prospects of joining NATO, or pathways for a future in NATO. If there is a vote for Ukraine to join NATO tomorrow, most countries would vote no. If there is a vote right after the potential ceasefire currently being discussed, most countries would still vote no.

            • Pelicanen@sopuli.xyzEnglish
              1·
              36 minutes ago

              > “no goalpost moving”

              > immediately moves goalposts

              Thank you for proving my point.