Post had nothing to do with murder or violence. It is clear who reddit serves.

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    We’re allowed to discuss all forms of revolution, so long as they are ineffective.

    So if you want to know how to stage a successful revolution, consider what you’re not allowed to say as the starting point. And take a look at how the CIA overthrows governments- it ain’t peaceful.

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      The number of peaceful revolutions we can unfortunately count on one hand. We can strive for to -but we have to be realistic

      However there also has to be a plan. Simply overthrowing the existing rule allows chaos & someone worse to assume power

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        The old rule has already been overthrown. By Trump, far right white Christian nationalists, and silicon valley. Unfortunately, it’s being replaced with something way worse.

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          Yes, I know - but the revolution is happening because people are angry and they believe the system is broken.

          I’m all for a short return to normalcy if actual change follows.

          If actual change does not follow, I promise you we will be right back in this position before you know it.

          I completely agree that what’s coming is worse. But if you don’t have a plan, the ensuing chaos is EXACTLY what Silicon Valley is hoping for so they can grab power. They have said it out loud.

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              I do agree. The fact most people weren’t taking this threat seriously when we knew even in 2016 he was a Russian asset is appalling. But Russia has compromised every intel org. If you’re in CA please encourage your reps to purge the intel agencies of Russian assets.

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          yea, like what is currently happening is a “non-violent” coup. They used anger, mass disinformation and propaganda.

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          I am not sure I agree that the old rule was replaced. Before, the oligarchs ruled from the shadows by controlling political campaign finances and lobbyists. But now, the oligarchs are so powerful they are ruling directly. The country is still heading in the same direction (relentless growth of power disparity between the rich and power) just at a quicker pace.

          FDR was the last US president that fought for the working class. Every President since Reagan has overseen policies that have weakened the working class and transfered power to the rich. Republicans were far more aggressive about it, but liberals still did it at a slower rate.

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          No one said that. As the others pointed out, I’m saying have a plan.

          The go-to example is the French Revolution. There was no plan for after they eliminated the “bad guys,” and they ended up executing mostly non-rich folk. Saw a stat elsewhere that it may have been as few as 20% of victims were the rich.

          Do we really want 80% of the people hurt by a revolution to be the common folk? If that’s what you wanted you might as well stick with the current status quo. You’re getting it.

          I’m not going to argue further with you as the others have already done so well enough. I am only saying: have a plan, or things very well could go even worse

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            We already have plenty of socialist/communist revolution examples to follow.

            No, you do not need to strategize before removing the boot from your neck.

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      also, look at all the americans the FBI has gone after hardest. except the ones they were obviously paid to silence.

      it’s not all violence. it will all draw violence.