Hamad said that Palestinians are the victims of the occupation, therefore no one should blame them for the events of October 7 or anything else, adding: “Everything we do is justified.”

  • zib@kbin.social
    2210·
    11 months ago

    And this is the big long-term problem with Israel’s campaign of open genocide. They don’t care how many innocents are killed as long as they wipe out Hamas, but in the process, they’re inspiring more fanaticism in the region and fueling Hamas and other similar groups. Both Hamas and the Israeli government are terrorist organizations and they have a symbiotic relationship. The only real losers here are the innocent people caught in the middle.

      • Zorque@kbin.social
        01·
        11 months ago

        Well… yeah? Ain’t no one hear saying Hamas are the good guys. Just the second part of a two-headed parasite thats attached itself to the people if Israel/Palestine.

    • Dildade41@lemm.ee
      4·
      11 months ago

      Forgive my uninformed position here, but I’m sure they are aware that you can’t defeat terrorism by murdering the ever living piss-fuck out of everyone. There must be another motivation for just killing everyone.

    • fosforus@sopuli.xyzOP
      8·
      11 months ago

      I think founding Israel where it is was a huge geopolitical mistake, but I don’t know how that knowledge helps at all today when that mistake is completely solidified.

      • stella@lemm.ee
        11·
        11 months ago

        It helps so people remember why Palestinians are upset in the first place.

        • Shardikprime@lemmy.world
          918·
          11 months ago

          Yeah cool motive still doesn’t justify a charter explicitly supporting the murder of all Jews in the world

          • ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub
            83·
            11 months ago

            I think hostility towards trespassers is kind of recognized across the world

            Doesn’t justify murder of Jews across the world of course, that’s not ethical. But it is understandable why Zionists deserve some flak for occupying land they stole with the help of Western colonists

          • stella@lemm.ee
            32·
            11 months ago

            Does the existence of such a charter justify the killing of civilians?

            What about the blockade?

      • thilo@lemmy.ml
        43·
        11 months ago

        Thank you. Let us start working with the status quo. Israel right now is starting to realise that netanyahu is not the right guy and palrstinians/gazans need to accept, that they are mere cettle to hamas/abbas.

        Also the arab world needs to work on this compromise with the palestinians and stop using them as propaganda tools.

  • porcupine@lemmygrad.ml
    31·
    11 months ago

    Hamas is correct. “Israel” is a European settler colony, and like other European settler colonies, it depends on the removal of the indigenous population and theft of their land. Palestinians have exhausted every possible alternative to violence over decades, and it’s brought them to the brink of extinction. Their options are to fight for their lives and right to return to their homes, or to be exterminated as a people by the Israeli state. Palestinian Jews existed before Europe created Israel, and they’ll exist as equals after Palestine is free.

    • thilo@lemmy.ml
      25·
      11 months ago

      There are many islmist countries. They can choose freely. But ask the jewish minority in all these arab countries how many jewish nations they can choose. Also, there never was a country called Palestine, the region holds the name. But about 3000 jears ago on this spot where two jewisch kingdoms. So whois the settler?

      • porcupine@lemmygrad.ml
        22·
        11 months ago

        “Actually white people originate from Africa, so we have a right to take back the ancestral homeland of the white race”.

        “There are plenty of ‘black countries’ for them to choose, this should be a white country for us.”

        “If those people keep reproducing, soon white people won’t be a majority, and that’s ‘white genocide’.”

        Arguments like this are only plausible to terminally racist settlers. You go along with them because it licenses you to keep pursuing your material interest in murdering people that don’t look like you and stealing their land. After all, if the people living in Palestine have a right to live in their homes without being invaded and exterminated, then that raises some uncomfortable questions about the US, Canada, Australia, and other countries built on land theft and extermination by white Europeans. You obviously can’t think too hard about that and still believe that you’re the protagonist of history, so you’ll seek out any flimsy justification to keep believing that bombing hospitals makes you heroic.

        • thilo@lemmy.ml
          34·
          11 months ago

          Maybe you should research on the ratio of european jews to arab jews in israel. Where do these arab jews originate from i wonder.

          • porcupine@lemmygrad.ml
            22·
            11 months ago

            Some of them originate in Palestine, where they lived before Europe created “Israel”. Some of them originated from other states in west Asia or east Africa, or the Americas where they have the means and opportunity to freely return. Some of them were born in occupied Palestine, where they have every right to stay and live as equals when Palestine is liberated from colonization.

            Those weren’t the people that created the state of “Israel”. They didn’t drive the rest of the population out of their homes, and none of those people will stop existing when the occupying state is destroyed. Neither will any other Jewish people living across the world calling for peace, no matter how much you’d prefer to erase them and see them expelled from your country. They survived Europe’s past attempts to expel and exterminate them, and they’ll certainly survive the end of Euro-American colonialism in Palestine.

          • diegeticscream[all]🔻@lemmygrad.ml
            01·
            11 months ago

            According to Israel’s Central Bureau of Statistics, in 2008, of Israel’s 7.3 million people, 75.6 percent were Jews of any background.[39] Among them, 70.3 percent were Sabras (born in Israel), mostly second- or third-generation Israelis, and the rest are olim (Jewish immigrants to Israel)—20.5 percent from Europe and the Americas, and 9.2 percent from Asia and Africa, including the Arab countries.

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Jews

            • thilo@lemmy.ml
              1·
              11 months ago

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi_Jews says 3.2 million in Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel says Israels population is 9.8 million of which 73% are jewish. So 3.2 million Mizrahi Jews (oriental) of 5.8 Israel Jews. I presume the rest must be Ashkenazi Jews (european). All i’m saying is the categorization in indigeious and settlers isn’t all that easy.

              \edit: Sorry, You are not the person I replied to. So thank you for the facts-delivery!

  • Zippy@lemmy.world
    814·
    11 months ago

    Don’t think there is any ambiguity on Hamas policy. Think it is time to take them out entirely.

    • SheeEttin@lemmy.worldEnglish
      182·
      11 months ago

      While Israel is oppressing Palestinians, there will always be someone like Hamas.

      • nakal@kbin.social
        01·
        11 months ago

        And if Hamas thinks that Israel does not have a right to exists and they have the right to kill everyone there, the occupation wasn’t necessary. It’s a vicious circle. Hamas is not in position to present themselves as victims. Their agenda is unconditional and the occupation is not the reason they kill people. They simply lie.

        • Rawdogg@lemm.ee
          0·
          11 months ago

          Why don’t you fuck back off to world news on reddit, they love supporting genocide over there, you’ll fit right in.

          • thilo@lemmy.ml
            11·
            11 months ago

            And we all keep our own little eco chambers. You are not interessted in solving the problem but “virtue” signalling.

        • freagle@lemmygrad.ml
          23·
          11 months ago

          Do you understand what it means when the British empire declares a land as terra nullius? The British showed up, shot anyone who resisted, and made a fiat declaration that the state of Israel now exists. And they only did it 100 years ago. The reason the Palestinians don’t think Israel has a right to exist is because the entire basis of its existence is violent colonization by Britain.

    • mosiacmango@lemm.ee
      41·
      11 months ago

      You: “its easy Billy. Just kill all the terrorists.”

      Billy : “But wont that also kill countless civilians in the process, creating distraught and enraged people who might take up arms to be terrorists in revenge?”

      You: “Of course, just keep killing and killing and killing civilians, and I’m sure eventually we will have killed enough to make that impossible.”

      Billy: “So…Genocide then.”

      You : “yes.”

      Real reasoned and excellent stance. Maybe Israel can fight a 8 trillion dollar forever war for 20 years that kills millions like the US did, and still have Hamas. What a good idea.

    • freagle@lemmygrad.ml
      35·
      11 months ago

      You don’t realize how hypocritical this is. There’s no ambiguity on Israeli policy either. And it’s time to dismantle that state entirely and undo the last century of European meddling. Start over trying to figure out if and where there should be a Jewish ethno state. I heard Israel was thinking of displacing all Palestinians to Egypt. Maybe Israelis can go there. Or Canada, that was another option they floated for full displacement of all of Palestine, right? I’m sure Canada would readily give up territory for Jewish ethno state.

  • macniel@feddit.de
    412·
    11 months ago

    I mean … they certainly have the spirit of a warrior… too bad that they in the body of squirrels.