Mixed teams, weight classes, a handicap system. These issues have been solved before the word transgender was even invented. And for some sports a natural advantage is just how it goes. I’ve never heard anyone propose banning tall people from playing basketball. Don’t get me wrong, I understand that what you said is the prevalent opinion and I don’t think it’s neccessarily coming from a bad place. But it’s misinformed and inherently political and I think it’s important to acknowledge that.
how do you guys think about sending woman with abnormally high testosterone to a mostly male team and vice versa?
This for example sounds viable to many people unfamiliar with the matter but in reality we might as well separate athletes by zodiac signs since testosterone levels just aren’t a reliable marker at all.
Another thing I see sometimes is the proposal of an all trans olympic alternative which among other things goes to show that people vastly overestimate the amount of trans athletes thanks to said politicisation.
agreed, testosterone (or other hormones) are a flawed system for categorising competitors. so is weight class, as women generally have a higher body fat ratio. so is any system we can come up with. however what I categorize MYSELF as, is probably the worst system. trans people should, like any other person, be able to do sports. but to have competition we need a better system then people choosing their opponents.
so that is why i am asking what systems you guys suggest.
This^ - as @ToxicWaste@lemm.ee noted - women and men are good at different things so I don’t see why we can’t require mixed gender teams with equal representation for pretty much all sports.
And if somebody cries “fOrCeD dIvErSiTy!!” then you never really cared about women’s participation in sports anyways.
i like that: just sports, not womens- or mens- or trans- or whatever- sports. but by which system do you stop an all males team identifying as women for the duration of a weightlifting competition?
i dont have a good answer. but i was hoping someone in the discussion has.
Trans-women are women who represent 0.2% of the population whom many are taking estrogen. You don’t care about regulating those with natural physical advantages in sports just with those who were often excluded from society as you want to keep hurting people for no reason.
obviously I care about those too. same as any steroids, PEDs, own-blood doping and whatever drugs, hormones or whatever they invent to increase performance. and stop crying for trans women. the example i mentioned was basically a trans woman with zero treatment. even if he was an obvious troll.
the whole argument is about having a reasonably fair and therefore interesting competition.
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Mixed teams, weight classes, a handicap system. These issues have been solved before the word transgender was even invented. And for some sports a natural advantage is just how it goes. I’ve never heard anyone propose banning tall people from playing basketball. Don’t get me wrong, I understand that what you said is the prevalent opinion and I don’t think it’s neccessarily coming from a bad place. But it’s misinformed and inherently political and I think it’s important to acknowledge that.
This for example sounds viable to many people unfamiliar with the matter but in reality we might as well separate athletes by zodiac signs since testosterone levels just aren’t a reliable marker at all.
Another thing I see sometimes is the proposal of an all trans olympic alternative which among other things goes to show that people vastly overestimate the amount of trans athletes thanks to said politicisation.
agreed, testosterone (or other hormones) are a flawed system for categorising competitors. so is weight class, as women generally have a higher body fat ratio. so is any system we can come up with. however what I categorize MYSELF as, is probably the worst system. trans people should, like any other person, be able to do sports. but to have competition we need a better system then people choosing their opponents.
so that is why i am asking what systems you guys suggest.
This^ - as @ToxicWaste@lemm.ee noted - women and men are good at different things so I don’t see why we can’t require mixed gender teams with equal representation for pretty much all sports.
And if somebody cries “fOrCeD dIvErSiTy!!” then you never really cared about women’s participation in sports anyways.
i like that: just sports, not womens- or mens- or trans- or whatever- sports. but by which system do you stop an all males team identifying as women for the duration of a weightlifting competition?
i dont have a good answer. but i was hoping someone in the discussion has.
You say, as you wade in to a topic that only exists for political reasons, and is actively driven and sustained entirely for political reasons
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They come into our community and start arguing against our rights.
Trans-women are women who represent 0.2% of the population whom many are taking estrogen. You don’t care about regulating those with natural physical advantages in sports just with those who were often excluded from society as you want to keep hurting people for no reason.
obviously I care about those too. same as any steroids, PEDs, own-blood doping and whatever drugs, hormones or whatever they invent to increase performance. and stop crying for trans women. the example i mentioned was basically a trans woman with zero treatment. even if he was an obvious troll.
the whole argument is about having a reasonably fair and therefore interesting competition.