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    Yes, Hamas is evil. Israel responded to that evil by killing thousands, and are gearing up to kill tens of thousands more. Included in that count are thousands of children.

    And because suffering is not a competition, we know that both of these things are fucking evil. Israel’s mass slaughter is just as evil as Hamas’ initial attack. The only difference is, Israel has far more munitions and is planning far more murder than Hamas could ever dream of.

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      Hamas is evil but let’s criticize Israel. Hamas uses human shields and encamps in schools and hospitals, but you dislike the tactics needed to defeat that. SMH

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        Do you listen to yourself? Hamas uses human shields, so you want to murder all the hostages? Just pre-emptively murder them all. That way Hamas can’t use them, right?

        No thought beyond mass murder, which is what Hamas wants, because the more wanton murder that the Israelis engage in, the more recruits Hamas gets.

        And then there’s the fact that Hamas has been propped up by Israel, funded by Israel.

        https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Netanyahu-Money-to-Hamas-part-of-strategy-to-keep-Palestinians-divided-583082

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            See, that’s the problem, you want to fight. Israel wants the fight, because the n they can justify more ethnic cleansing.

            To deal with Hamas, you have to deal with the root causes of Hamas.

            You have to defuse the justified anger of the Palestinian people, stop the settlers, put many of them in jail for the crimes they’ve committed, put many Israeli leaders in jail for the crimes they too have committed, and then put the leaders of Hamas in jail.

            That’s the starting point.

            Give all the Palestinians citizenship, and the protections that come with it.

            Side note, did you know that the vast majority of Palestinians don’t have citizenship of any country, despite being born in the area? The area their grandparents were born in? Their great-great-to-the-uncounted generation grandparents?

            Yeah, give all Palestinians full citizenship. That right there would diffuse a lot of the anger. And then you can work on dismantling Hamas as a police matter, and not as a military target.

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              See, that’s the problem, you want to fight. Israel wants the fight, because the n they can justify more ethnic cleansing. I

              Let’s see how far into the BS you can go. So, it didn’t have anything to do with the butchery of 10/07?

              As far as the other stuff is concerned, after the war there will be changes. Israel doesn’t want occupation. So Palestinians and the world will have to figure it out.

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                Israel doesn’t want an occupation? What the fuck are they doing in the West Bank then? That’s a full military occupation.

                But no. You’re right. Israel seems to want to kill everyone in Gaza, or maybe just force the survivors to live in an even more cramped concentration camp.

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                What about the butchery of bombing the Palestinian embassy killing 91 civilians.

                Oh yeah that was Israel forcing they’re way into mandatory Palestine only to start a campaign of civilian bombing, and outright murder and torture.

                If we’re playing the “but what about” game we have something like 3000 years and hundreds of thousands if not millions of casualties.

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            With a multi billion dollar military that trains ground troops for that exact situation, you know like a functioning military rather than stormtroopers.

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                I don’t need to dipshit, you say I’m wrong prove it to be.

                semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agi The burden of proof lays with the accuser.

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                    Get fucked crybaby, the fact that the usual solution to hostage taking isn’t “shoot them both in the fucking face” anywhere else in the world it cannot logically be the only solution but perhaps Israels final solution for the Palestinian “problem”.

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        Ok to flip that hamas may use human shields and Israel doesn’t see these human shields even children as worthy enough to not turn them into a puddle slowly filtered through rubble.

        But yes let’s compare murder to hostage taking, I’m pretty sure one has a worse punishment legally speaking.

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            Same shitty argument.

            Nothing?

            Who the fuck side from you just now suggested that much? No one? Exactly.

            Do you think nothing while they get bombarded with rockets by a genocidal adversary is acceptable?

            Who are we talking about? Israel that’s been bombing buildings in occupied Palestine for years or the sporadic attacks from a resistance group that pale in comparison? Both are shitty but magnitude matters.

            If your answer is anything along the lines of “two state solution”, well you’re about thirty years too late there.

            I didn’t say that either, perhaps stop projecting?

            They tried and it was turned down by the Palestinians.

            Yes because it is and was occupied, I wouldn’t accept any offer from a nation with it’s boot on my neck and it’s hand in my pocket, nor would any other nation for that matter.

            So, what should Israel do?

            Act like a modern goddamn military, accept losses it’s a fucking war which also means 10,000 dead civilians is a fucking war crime. You seen to imply that Israel hasn’t trained to fight Hamas for the better part of three decades and trained to fight general military insurgencies since 1948 when they were the goddamn insurgency.

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                It goes pretty far back but your idiotic point holds true for you as well.

                The king George hotel bombing happened in 1946 to destroy the Palestinian embass which was committed by proto isrealis during their bombing and murder campaign.

                You’re talking a lot of shit for being objectively wrong.

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          If that were true, Israel wouldn’t tell them to move. But, there’s no use trying logic with you is there.

          All you can do? When you come up with a military strategy to get rid of Hamas let me know

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            That’s the dumbest argument you’ve made yet. Sure, they tell a wholely Captive population to move and in doing so they tell hamas where to follow. It’s lip service so dolts like you can pretend they aren’t actively committing genocide.

            Bro again dumb argument, you say it’s the only option when obviously that’s statistically improbable. I’m not a military leader but you can guarangoddamntee the end all beat all option isn’t to fucking kill the hostage and hostage taker.

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              Again? The statement was that Israel didn’t care about civilians and I asked why they asked them to move. Hard to understand for your little brain?

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                Yes again dumb dumb.

                You be said one dumb thing then another so “again” is an apt use.

                They asked them to move so dumbfucks like you go “they asked them to move!” while ignoring the fact they have no where to move to and there isn’t anything stopping Hamas from moving with them hence your use of “human shield”.

                You cannot be too fucking dumb to understand that, instead you’re just too far up your own ass to admit Israels excuse makes no goddamn sense.