• tal@kbin.social
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    1 year ago

    I’m disputing that they already have money to cover the costs

    Federal subsidies to telcos were not intended to provide Internet service for free, but to reduce costs.

    You could argue that a subsidy should reduce prices relative to what they should have been, had no subsidy existed.

    But you cannot argue that pricing should be decoupled from consumption as a result of that.

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      1 year ago

      And I’m not arguing that. I’m arguing that it’s clear that pricing has been decoupled from consumption, but in the other direction, where the ISP’s are setting prices arbitrarily. That’s been a choice on their part, and a big reason why people like me are distrustful of any data they claim shows their case. They have been caught lying so many times before. I’m old enough to remember Comcast paying homeless people[1] to stuff a courtroom to make it seem like more people supported them (once again if they don’t have money to cover infrastructure costs, why are they instead spending their money on things like this?). There’s also issues like when they bundle unnecessary services, essentially consumers paying for nothing, like when the AG of Washington State sued them in 2016.[2] I could go on for pages about shit like this going all the way back to illegally shaping traffic with Sandvine targeting BitTorrent traffic.[3] I honestly don’t wish to and maybe you ought to do more research on how much money these companies ream the American consumer for before acting like there is any connection between pricing and consumption here.


      1. https://www.sfgate.com/business/article/Cable-giant-Comcast-hires-seat-warmers-to-pack-3226430.php ↩︎

      2. https://fortune.com/2017/12/24/washington-comcast-service-plan-fraud/ ↩︎

      3. https://consumerist.com/2007/10/27/damning-proof-comcast-contracted-to-sandvine/ ↩︎

    • Monkey With A Shell@lemmy.socdojo.com
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      1 year ago

      It’s funny that I have symetical LAN Gb all over my house and beyond the initial cost it costs pretty well $0 per month to operate and maintain. My ISP gives me a limited use Gb line outside the house (and a tiny fraction of that speed on the uplink side for arbitrary reasons) and somehow it costs upwards of $100/month. That has no rational correlation to reality in terms of cost to provide the service.

      Massive enterprise systems are on a daily basis maintained by reletivlely small teams of specialists, most of who never have reason to physically touch a piece of gear. That happening in dynamic environment always looking for the next big step. An ISP has a comparativly simple task to direct traffic flows for the most part dictated by automated protocols.