Something something, paper tiger, Mao was right.

  • mo_ztt ✅@lemmy.world
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    Having organized a coup d’état in Ukraine in 2014, the United States sent its NATO proxy army eastward, giving weapons to Ukraine to fight an ethnic war against its Russian-speaking population and turn Russia’s Crimean naval base into a NATO fortress. This Croesus-level ambition aimed at drawing Russia into combat and depleting its ability to defend itself, wrecking its economy in the process and destroying its ability to provide military support to China and other countries targeted for seeking self-dependency as an alternative to U.S. hegemony.

    After eight years of provocation, a new military attack on Russian-speaking Ukrainians was conspicuously prepared, ready to drive toward the Russian border in February 2022. Russia protected its fellow Russian-speakers from further ethnic violence by mounting its own Special Military Operation.

    Do y’all genuinely believe this?

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        Russia annexed territory from Ukraine, and was amassing troops for a further invasion. US intelligence said as much, Russia denied any such plans, then invaded, and ever since, hundreds of thousands of Russian and Ukrainian human beings on Ukrainian soil have been having their flesh shredded by high-powered weapons.

        I’d say the fact that Russia:

        • Annexed quite a bit of Ukrainian territory before the war
        • Lied about its plans to invade, and
        • Has troops on the ground all over Ukraine

        … shouldn’t really be facts in dispute, and to me those that adds up to “Russia is in the wrong” even without adding in any additional facts which might be more disputable. But you don’t see it that way?

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          No, I do not in the slightest; considering your analysis rather tellingly leaves out Amerika’s armament of fascists, said armed fascist pogroms against “ethnic Russians” in their territory, the endless violations of the Minsk agreements on the part of the West, and, oh yeah; Amerika literally blew up Nordstream to cut off Germany’s access to Russian gas.

          So forgive me when I see you clutching pearls about “how many people injured in this ethnic violence” and think you’re literally so full of shit that when they give you your pre-burial enema, you’ll lose five and a half feet of height.

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            I’m really not trying to be combative with you brother. I’m not going to be friendly to the viewpoint you’re supporting, but I’m just a person like you – trying to make sense of the world and telling you how I see it. You’ve got no call to be getting insulting or cursing at me just because I’m disagreeing with you.

            I think the fascist pogroms against ethnic Russians in Ukraine didn’t exist. The Russian government’s lies leading up to the invasion are well-documented, so it seems weird to argue that their claims of violence against ethnic Russians in Ukraine is unimpeachable evidence that it was happening. Do you have documentation or support for it happening? Do you have a ballpark for how many people were killed or injured in this violence?

            I don’t know why you’re talking so mockingly about that question. The objective facts of what was happening are important.

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              Nah, see, I’m not cordial with sealions at all. And that’s exactly what you’re doing. JAQ’ing off, I think they call it now. So we’re just gonna ignore all the shelling in the leadup to the 2020s? We’re just gonna ignore the GLOBAL HEADLINES that made? We’re just gonna ignore the 14,000 dropped bodies since 2014? We’re just gonna ignore all the Wolfsengels, Totenkopfs, and other assorted nazi paraphernalia while you hoist all those water buckets?

              I can’t wait to see what you’ll ignore when those chickens finally come home to roost. Fuck out my inbox; you’re no longer welcome to a dialogue with me. It was funny, now you’re just sickening me.

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                Nothing says “My viewpoint’s on solid footing” like responding to clear factual questions with vigorous anger, insults, and angry refusal to continue the conversation.

                But sure, it’s 100% up to you who you want to communicate with and how. I’ll not respond to you again if that’s your preference.

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                  How about response on the wall of info Redtea sent you? You didn’t commented any of that, signifying BCR is absolutely correct.