• WraithGear@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    i would have appreciated if you had just quoted what i said, instead of building strawmen of my points to unfairly delegitamize, and to ultimately refuse to resolve my concerns. it seems more and more apparent that you have no intention of attempting to convince me and more interested in signaling to your peers. i remain unconvinced, as the ultimate answer to my concerns from you amounts to they don’t exist and were wholly invented with the creation and scourge of capitalism. That’s not convincing, and until there’s a frank discussion about how an anarchist system handles complex, large-scale interdependence, there’s no headway to be made here

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      1 day ago

      Youre not looking to be convinced. You tell me me how coercipn actually helps. Like, cite some sources.

      Coordination is hard work, and coordination doesn’t help.

      Ask anyone who’s had to eork with both deep linux and deep windows.

      You ask how, but the actual explanations are long, im sure I’ve referenced some, and youre still just repeating ‘but muh violence’, a thing that does not meankngfully cohere. I can’t argue with that in short form in good faith.

      And wgag explanation i can do here, you just skip over til you find someyhing to argue with. You’re not looking to be convinced. You’re looking to justify what you already believe and lying to both our faces.

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        you say that you can not argue in good faith, i am already convinced that capitalism as i experience it does not work for very long. yet i have concerns that specifically anarchy is not scalable. and so my current belief is that democracy needs to be reset continuously.

        i believe that i have been more then fair, this was your explanation to fail. i have many more issues that i have not gone over with anarchy, but i feel that if there are no mechanisms to handle the negatives of human nature, then i realy can’t even start to explore them. so far anarchy seems to be a holding pattern until the next force moves in that solves these deficiencies. And looking across history, again and again, i see this exact senario play out each time.

        coordination can be done, but you have no answer to scaleability, discord, and to bad actors, nor to disenfranchisement of the minority.

        but i guess your admitting that you are incapable of honestly answering, then i guess we are done! there is no where else to go.

        • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          You can’t grasp fundamental ideas. Ive cited sources i think. I’m not going to explain this; you can read a book. A paradise made in hell, the dawn of everything: a new history of humanity, debt: the first 5000 years, and anything on the CNT or zapatistas. Until youve read about all those, im not interested in talking to spevifically you.

          Until cleared if your fundamental delusion, i cannot argue with you, and you can only loop on your one thing. That’s not something I’m interested in validating or find it amusing to fuck with. It’s boring and stupid.

          Bonus points: prove your coercion actually creates coordination; im convinced extant coordination happens mostly in spite of your coercive violence. I’ve asked this several times but you haven’t even nodded to it. You’re just restatinh your point and not responding yo anything ive said. I’m not even sure you’re really reading this. If you are, you’re reading only with an eye to confirm what you already believe, rather than try to figure out what others are thinking, and talking at that is pointless.