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Let’s go!
Will piefed.ca follow suit?
Duh. Remember that time where a MAGA person listened to facts and logic, not emotion? Yeah, me neither…
I thought it was a parody instance.
It will be after we overflow it with tgirl accounts
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Yes
As both a Canadian and an American, yes please. Nothing good comes out of MAGA.
Same situation, same answer. Fascists and nazis must be deplatformed. Let them have their echo chamber all to themselves. Defederate.
How . . .
Dual Citizenship maybe?
Ding ding! Born Canadian, but lived in the US for over a decade, including starting a family (which prompted my application for citizenship). I moved back to Canada a bit ago.
Yah I forgot Canada was a civilized nation.
Plus all the fascism down here makes us stupider.
Hey, be fair, they’re working on their own brand of fascism in Alberta (from what I read). It’s just as terrible but with maple syrup, probably!
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Yep. No question. Hate speech is not free speech.
It’s against lemmy.ca rules #1 and #2
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I think everyone should. that’s the whole point of having a decentralized federation system: different people on different instances can decide what’s to Nazi for them to tolerate. Not like Xitter where one dude decides what’s the acceptable level of Nazi everyone should see every day.
It’s got like 5 users… Unless they’re actively causing trouble i would be in favour of not defederating.
That said, i’m not a .ca user so it doesn’t really matter to me
Tolerance of the intolerant is unacceptable, no matter how few there may be.
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Good thing we’re all tolerant, and all of our political opposition isnt! We really dodged a bullet there…
The paradox of tolerance, while often misapplied, is about this exact scenario.
The paradox of tolerance is just one philosophy on free speech (well really, an argument against it). Personally I think it is too easy to abuse to be a useful guide. EVERYONE thinks they are tolerant and EVERYONE thinks their political opposition isn’t, so if everyone subscribes to the idea of the paradox of tolerance you end up with the people with power always trying to suppress the opposition. For example conservatives literally refer to the left as “the intolerant left”.
The right wing movement continues to grow. you can assist them in locking themselves away in their bubbles where their ideology will continue to grow and fester or you can help address the problem and start winning hearts and minds.
There is no other way out of this mess
That’s not going to happen on social media, let’s be honest with each other.
How do you win the hearts and minds of cult members tho?
Someone has to help them see the contradictions within their own beliefs, if they don’t get there on their own. For the most part, I think the most likely candidates are people who were once like them (and there are social media accounts like this), since they’ll be more likely to listen to someone who they feel understands them. If people who have already recovered from that life aren’t available, then someone matching the qualities they wouldn’t reject in a friend is the next best thing. In other words, THIS is where allies are supposed to shine if they want to be doing something meaningful to help.
At the earliest, those of us in one or more of their currently most hated marginalized groups can start stepping in once they’ve crossed the threshold from “this doesn’t feel right” to “how do I start connecting with others in a healthier way.” Allies should help them bridge that initial gap first, and then the tougher-skinned ones among their friends in marginalized groups can ideally join in. That’s how a functioning, healthy society should work. Instead of tunnel vision/pipelines and social bubbles, we need genuine healing and connection.
As an aside, I’ve been thinking a lot lately about how preemptive (as opposed to reactive) social isolation is actually remarkably analogous to expecting someone in financial poverty to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. It’s just that the problem is an emotional form of poverty instead of financial (or both). Some externalize the pain (hating/blaming group X), and some internalize it (any marginalized group that tries to be MAGA), and some do both (“own the libs!”) but all in all we’re talking about people trying to convince themselves they’re happy while also struggling to drown their own humanity.
By discussing their beliefs with them and not ridiculing them.
By avoiding emotional inaccurate rhetoric and biased sources.
By carefully deconstructing their beliefs without attacking them
Not allowing yourself to be pulled off topic.
You can’t win a game against people who aren’t following the rules. What you’re suggesting works when there’s a foundational understanding that is shared, otherwise they must be kicked out of the game (by society at large) until they agree to follow the rules.
It doesn’t matter if it’s a far-right conspirasist that believes Democrats eat blended up human babies or a far-left feminist that believes bullets and rockets are penis shaped to oppress the masses by flaunting the power of the white man to keep the patriarchy in power.
We teach this to children, everyone can play regardless of color, origin, or race, but as soon as any of the kids start biting or screaming in peoples ears, they’re not allowed to play with the rest. Its called consequences.
That kind of pie-in-the-sky happy happy optimism won’t work on MAGA. They are too far gone. Literally anything you say to them is a lie (in their mind). Every fact is “fake”. Every source is "Pfft…that’s what they want you believe*. Every survey is “biased” and every person who doesn’t agree with them is a “radical”.
Your tips apply to regular debate, even to some degree with christian conservatives. But MAGA is legitimately a cult at that point.
When they firmly believe that Charlie Kirk performed a miracle by preventing the bullet from killing people behind him, they aren’t a rational group anymore; they’re mentally ill.
Yeah but thats the perfect time imo. Better to do it now while there is no value than if it gets big and ca users have to abandon a community they may have been participating in (not every community is necessarily related to the main theme of the instance)
Ban also Charlie kirk memorial community.
Fuck them. Lemmy is Canadian.
MAGA, the people who want to make Canada their 51st state, can fuck right off.
However, I do find it funny these “American patriots” feel they need to use Canadian servers to exercise their free speech. Their Orange god is completely against free speech. They should embrace that instead.Edit: Sorry. I misunderstood how this maga place this was hosted when I made the comment. I thought it was on lemmy.ca but I see now how it’s hosted and shared.
However, I do find it funny these “American patriots” feel they need to use Canadian servers to exercise their free speech.
Canadian servers? what do you mean? fedidb does not show server location to me
You’re correct.
The A record for the domain name
maga.placeresolves to216.144.226.200, which is under the 216.144.226.0/24 prefix of AS36352 (HostPapa). The prefix being used is registered tomadgenius.com, which is a hosting provider registered in the United States. Curiously, that provider even has their own ASN (AS55154) that’s not being used here.It’s also a shared IP address. The address itself resolves to
suportefiscal.aptosclinica.com.br.when you perform a reverse lookup.As for the domain name itself, a quick whois lookup points to Namecheap. The MX records corroborate this, pointing to
registrar-servers.com.In any case, the server itself is hosted in Virginia. The hosting provider used is an American company either owned by or reselling services from a Canadian company.
This is a 1-day-old account and they also said “Lemmy is Canadian”, so I’m presuming that they think that defederation means to remove this like it were a community.
Although even so they aren’t wrong: federation with Lemmy.ca means to help spread their messages using Canadian servers:-).
However, I do find it funny these “American patriots” feel they need to use Canadian servers to exercise their free speech.
No, actually they have their own server which is maga.place.
In the Fediverse, independent servers automatically synchronize with each other to publish their content. However, it is possible to cut the link with another server to avoid its publications from showing up on our own server.
No, actually they have their own server which is maga.place
I see that now. I misunderstood how they were hosted.
Yes, please.
Should Lemmy.ca defederate from a Nazi instance? Yes. Let’s not have their fascist propaganda leak into our instances.
Curious. I just a quick scan on their instance and see no Nazi stuff. Got any examples?
They deleted one of the communities that had a rainbow confederate flag with Nazi swastikas on it.
So they’re actively moderating their instance and removing objectionable material. that’s a good thing.
Yeah, but the question remains of which half of that they found objectionable.
Curious. Curious.
Who else was famous for saying “curious”?
I don’t think there’s any value associating with racists, sexists, homophobes, transphobes, or traitors.
So, yes.
Kill it before it lays eggs…!
Yes. Build a wall.
And make MAGA pay for it!
proceeds to send them the invoice
Good luck with that - Trump never pays his bills, & I expect no different from MAGAts.
