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When the ‘law of the jungle’ replaces international norms ’no sovereign nation is safe’: Xinhua commentary.
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Ah, the pot calling the kettle black again.
China, whatever it is, doesn’t wage direct wars abroad and kidnap random presidents. Well, for now, at least. But seeing there is no accountability, they will certainly consider it much more seriously.
They’re openly threatening to invade another country and they’re in a hybrid war with almost all their neighbours. Plus, they’ve been enabling the Russian war in Ukraine from day one. They’re not in a position to be starting wars just yet but it’s certainly not for lack of trying. And you can ask the Uighurs the Tibetans, the Mongols and a lot of others what they think about this.
Ohh, the rich who were monetarily affected by Chinese policies that made the field more level and then tell tall tells as CIA prefers.
Here’s another perspective, if you can bother: https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_People's_Republic_of_China
I invite people to compare these two pages. I really don’t care to hear from any yanks on this.
You see, it is possible to resent both countries’ ambitions on other nations and global hegemony. You dont have to whatabout when someone points out that China is no saint either.
What are you even hoping to achieve here? Make the reader say “oh well, guess what China does is okay then”?
My point is the USA is a warmonger who needs to be treated as such. Further, you are aware that the beginning of this thread is literally a yank doing a whataboutism in the opposite direction? Why don’t you go whine to them if that bothers you so much?
Because they have already been ratioed and corrected in their perspective by other commenters.
I do of course entirely agree with you that the united states under current leadership are wildly untrustworthy and a potential danger to anyone who has something Trump wants. Scared for Denmark.
Not only your point, but also China’s point. I think it is fair to talk about the wrongs of China when they point the wrongs of the US. On the other hand, since I am not from either country i feel they can endlessly point at each other because it might fuel the desire to be better. And both China and the US really need to do better when it comes to abiding to international humanitarian law.
This is a perfect example of the pot accusing the kettle, that saying is exactly meant for ‘whataboutism in the opposite direction’.
I’m not the one who complained about whataboutism. I pointed out that it’s hypocritical to whine about me doing it if you’re not also going to whine about the original commenter doing it. Which is fine, it’s legal to be a hypocrite. One should own it, though.
https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang
It is certainly possible to resent both, it is however pathetic to resent both equally, when one is 100 times worse than the other.
“This man just murdered my mother, but fuck the guy who’s calling him out, he slapped me once 30 years ago”
While i would agree that at the immediate present the u.s appear to be the more belligerent and unpredictable actor i believe that there is not a lot of room for nuance in terms of aggression towards other sovereign countries. They are all unacceptable to me. The US should stay the hell out of Venezuela, Russia out of Ukraine and China out of Taiwan, to use the most current examples.
I believe there is a lot of room for nuance when we start counting victims. To me, the Nazis are not functionally the same to Poland, even if Poland invaded Czechoslovakia together with them, because Poland didn’t murder tens of millions of people. To me, the USA murdering tens of millions of people (38 million through economic sanctioning together with the EU since 1970, and 500k more every year) is absolutely horrifying and incomparable to anything else today except possibly the genocide in Gaza by Israel
It is just a threat right now so mihies is right for now
You. First one to the gulag.
Definitely. And our tankie friends here will be happy to volunteer as guards.
point? this is about the US. an active terrorist state. other states can be bad too. in fact they all are. but your comment serves to distract from and therefore protect the US. why?
Random Lemmy comments, the first line of defence for the US lol
Hey now. No reason to start behaving like tankies/ML. If it’s valid for the West to criticize them for their faults. (It is) Then, turn about is just as valid. Even if the criticism comes from a place of hypocrisy like this.
If anything, this should just be a reminder that no state is your ally or a responsible actor. And that the more power and concentration they have, like the United States, Russia, or China. The more brazenly they will abuse the people they’re supposed to represent and everyone around them.
US once again breaks international law and invades another nation.
You - “hey guys, let’s not get all tankie and start saying the US is bad without falsely equating China!”
I was in no way trying to imply that the pot and the kettle aren’t both black. That’s the whole point of the expression.
Who did China invade again?
I know, and that’s why I didn’t down vote you. It’s just not really useful here. The United States calls out China all the time for its imperialism, oppression and abuses. And inevitably ML fall back to United States/West Bad. To defang any criticism. It’s not valid or appropriate when they do it. And it’s not when we do it either. Even when done with appropriate nuance as you did.
This is something that the United States is absolutely going to have to own. The criticism is 100% deserved and doesn’t need any defense or deflection like that. Unless of course, they are openly saying that they are better than the United States or the West. Then it would be absolutely appropriate. If it weren’t for hypocritical criticism, there wouldn’t be hardly be any criticism.