A future-of-work expert said Gen Zers didn’t have the “promise of stability” at work, so they’re putting their personal lives and well-being first.

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    11 months ago

    if the firm managing your 401k makes a bad investment

    The administrator of your accounts has zero control over most of the funds available in them, their rise or fall, and your funds are separate from any investments that financial institution may or may not have made.

    If you have a 401k with fidelity, or ADP or Schwab or Trowe Price or whoever, some of those are banks, soke finance companies, some payroll, anyway, the point is for each, the money in your account is yours to allot and invest as you wish based on yhe invesrment options your company chose or negotiating with them to administer your company’s plan. The admin makes money by admin fees, not by taking your money and reinvesting it in something you don’t know about. Granted, yes if there is a stock market crash, most financial companies will similarly overall struggle, but they have lots of arms and operations (mortgage loans, commercial, consumer banking, investment banking, etc.) and they are 100% all disconnected from the money in your 401k.

    That said, 401ks are awful and a sham that were pushed on an uninformed public and we’ve only just begun to see the effects as the first generation reaches end of work age…and can’t stop working. It’ll continue. Props to anyone fighting and organizing against it or trying to avoid as much as possible. System fully bought and broken by greed.

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      11 months ago

      What’s the point of your first two paragraphs? The person you responded to is 100% right. The point is to pump money in to the fuckin stock market so the wealthiest people can profit off that “investment”

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        11 months ago

        The point was is the plan administrator has no control over whether the value of his account goes up and down, which Op said they did. I agree with everything else Op said but think it’s important since most people don’t understand the mechanics to learn about them so added the correct info.

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          When the plan administrator is picking the stocks in their “Target Retirement 2055” account, I’d say they have a large amount of control.

          Now the S&P 500? Probably no control. But is it truly the S&P 500 or some bull shirt index fund from the 401k provider that’s not 100% following the S&P 500?

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      Thanks for the informed take.

      the money in your account is yours to allot and invest as you wish

      While true, I’m not an investor, I’m a software engineer. I don’t know good investments from bad, so if I tried to invest myself as an uninformed person, odds are good I will lose a lot of money very quickly. And becoming an informed investor is a lot of time and effort I don’t have. I rely on the managed plan because I know there are professionals handling it.

      based on the investment options your company chose or negotiating with them to administer your company’s plan.

      My employer actually switched our 401k’s from ML to John Hancock. I had no say in this, I don’t know if JH is more or less competent as a firm than ML. So if I have fewer choices because I don’t know how to invest and would prefer someone to manage it, I have even fewer choices because I don’t even get to choose who manages it.

      That said, 401ks are awful and a sham that were pushed on an uninformed public

      This is where we most agree. Most people don’t know how to invest, so they either let the retirement funds handle it, or they try it themselves. If they try it themselves, they either have to learn how to invest, or they have to get lucky. If the funds handle it, they can be lured in by “stable, lucrative” investments that turn out to be bad, like Mortgage-Backed Securities. Even informed investors can lose money. No matter which path we follow, it all becomes gambling in the end. It’s unacceptable that retirement funds are treated as such.