A Tennessee Republican hopes to establish an “abortion trafficking” felony for adults who help pregnant minors get an out-of-state abortion without parental permission, an effort reproductive health advocates argue will run afoul of constitutional rights such as interstate travel.

Rep. Jason Zachary, R-Knoxville, filed House Bill 1895 on Monday. The legislation would establish a new Class C felony, which could carry three to 15 years in prison, for an adult that “recruits, harbors or transports” a pregnant minor for the purposes of receiving an out-of-state abortion or for getting abortion medication.

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      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_States_Army#Morale_and_motivations

      Some historians emphasize that Civil War soldiers were driven by political ideology, holding firm beliefs about the importance of liberty, Union, or state rights, or about the need to protect or to destroy slavery. Others point to less overtly political reasons to fight, such as the defense of one’s home and family, or the honor and brotherhood to be preserved when fighting alongside other men. Most historians agree that, no matter what he thought about when he went into the war, the experience of combat affected him profoundly and sometimes affected his reasons for continuing to fight.

      Now there is also another bit where it acknowledges some were explicitly fighting to defend slavery. However since what those researchers are using is letters…

      Only the wealthiest southerners could read and write, and if you were from the South and wealthy, it’s a pretty safe bet your family owned slaves.

      But the vast amount of southerners were too poor to ever afford slaves. So that greatly skews the sample.

      But even the ones who explicitly stated they were fighting to keep slavery legal, the feds and Lincoln were adamant they weren’t going to outlaw slavery on a federal level.

      So those traitors who said they fought to keep slavery legal, were fighting to prevent something that wasn’t going to happen. They just thought it would because the leaders of the Confederacy lied to them about it.

      Just like the 1/6 traitors believed the reason they were attempting to overthrow the American government, was because they thought Biden stole an election.

      Just because a conservative believes something, doesn’t mean it’s true.

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          They weren’t. Its just like today where they were steeped in propaganda. Thats no excuse. We should have crushed them after the war. Since we didn’t we have had to repeatedly deal with the traitors.

          Even now we should be crushing Texas instead of playing their games. We are responsible for enabling their abhorrent behavior.

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          You should learn to read, then, like those poor confederates. You’d be better off with some literacy.

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              Literally linked and quoted above, and you’re too fucking stupid to read. Many were manipulated or were not fighting over slavery specifically. That doesn’t magically make the conflict not about slavery, it’s just context that goes to explain how the south is so brainwashed about it. It’s true, NOT because what the south believes today, but because of what literally happened.

              Again, it’s just nuanced context. It’s not a claim about the war not revolving around slavery. Fucking learn to read.

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                  Wrong on both accounts. Hilarious. Keep assuming things. It really proves how well you think through things.

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                    That’s rich. Seems like you’re all over this thread whiteknighting for op(not suspicious at all). And you still haven’t shown where it explicitly states that they were lied to.

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          Well, I can’t think of a simpler way to explain it.

          I’m sorry you can’t understand, but You’re doing that thing where you start replying to my other comments and wanting to have the same argument multiple times, and I just don’t have the motivation or energy to help people who do that.

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            Your argument doesn’t seem all that separated from the Nazi Nuremberg defense

            “I was just following orders”

            The world collectively decided that defense would not stand

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              Nope.

              What I’m doing would be more like trying to understand why Germans fell for propaganda and fought for the nazis.

              It doesn’t excuse what they did.

              But if we don’t understand why they did it, how are we supposed to prevent a future generation from falling for the same shit?

              Because, again, we just saw a group of conservatives attempt to overthrow the American government because they believed propaganda.

              Don’t you think that maybe, just maybe, we should try to prevent there from being another “next time”?

              You don’t think that’s something that’s important?

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        “Now there is also another bit where it acknowledges some were explicitly fighting to defend slavery. However since what those researchers are using is letters…”

        You’re really handwaving away what’s called a primary source of information. Those letters are actually really important for understanding what was going on in the heads of the soldiers at that time. The fact that they were explicitly writing about the right to own slaves shows that they were aware of what explicit right they were fighting for.