• pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    It’s impossible to undo the past and therefore to really fix anything. This is why we focus on punishing the perpetrator and why mitigating the damage they cause is treated as a separate issue.

    Even if you could wave your magic wand and make it as if a terrible act never happened, you’d still punish the perpetrator anyway because they still did what they did.

    You might not want people to be punished, but we’re going to anyway because it is what a just world by definition is. And no, you’re not gonna argue that a just world is not that just so you can win an argument with me. Evildoers will be punished and that, given how you oppose the notion, likely includes you too. Get over it like you tell victims to do.

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      10 months ago

      Evildoers will be punished and that, given how you oppose the notion, likely includes you too.

      That’s quite the reaction to someone saying “torturing people isn’t actually helpful.”

      “You don’t like torture? Sounds like you need to be tortured then.”

      You sound like a reasonable person worth continuing to have a conversation with. /s

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        10 months ago

        That’s quite the reaction to someone saying “torturing people isn’t actually helpful

        And a valid one because no one said a goddamn thing about torturing anyone. I said “punish”. The fact that you’re so blatantly and transparently trying to strawman shows that you have an agenda.

        You’re just a manipulative, enabling asshole with the goal of protecting and defending evil people from accountability. You know why it is the chief enabler in any relationship protects the abuser from consequences? Because they, themselves, are abusers too. That’s you, you are the chief enabler. And I do not have the patience for your shit today.

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          And a valid one because no one said a goddamn thing about torturing anyone. I said “punish”.

          Okay, explain what you mean here by punishment then. I’m not saying “Let him go with a promise not to do it again.” I’m saying the consequences they face for this should be focused on rehabilitation, as punishment for the sake of punishment is nothing more than torturing someone just for the sake of it.

          The fact that you’re so blatantly and transparently trying to strawman shows that you have an agenda.

          With that in mind could you explain your agenda with these statements?

          . Evildoers will be punished and that, given how you oppose the notion, likely includes you too. Get over it like you tell victims to do

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          You’re just a manipulative, enabling asshole with the goal of protecting and defending evil people from accountability. You know why it is the chief enabler in any relationship protects the abuser from consequences? Because they, themselves, are abusers too. That’s you, you are the chief enabler. And I do not have the patience for your shit today.

          The projection is strong with this one. Enabling and defending a justice system based on cruelty and abuse, then saying those who defend abusers are abusers themselves. You’re telling on yourself here.