Gov. Ron DeSantis said Thursday he is sending National and Florida State Guard troops to Texas to help that state put up razor wire fences on the southern border, a move in apparent defiance of the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision on the contentious immigration issue.
DeSantis said it would be the “first-ever deployment” for the State Guard, a force he re-established in 2022 after being defunct for 75 years.
But Florida law says the State Guard, which reports directly to the governor, is to be used “exclusively within the state,” and a proposed bill to allow out-of-state deployments has not been passed by the Legislature.
DeSantis spokesman Jeremy Redfern did not respond to a request for comment on the use of the State Guard outside of Florida.
Can someone from the White House please point out that if there really is an “invasion” at the southern border, that makes DeSantis and Abbott guilty of aiding America’s enemies by putting them on buses and planes and sending them all over the US?
Since when does human trafficking aid the victims?
It doesn’t, but that’s beside the point. The point is, if there really is an “invasion” at the border, what do you call someone who helps those “invaders” get deeper into the country? Why shouldn’t the federal government march right in to Tallahassee and Austin and arrest Abbott and DeSantis on charges of treason?
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There is, DeathSantis is planning on invading with his state funded personal army.
Biden should call their bluff. Letting Abbott and DeSantis make these little shows of defiance using actual troops and law enforcement personnel only emboldens the right. That has to be a red line.
He should call their bluff and force them to allow thousands of illegal crossings per day without doing anything about it? That’s the right move, in your opinion?
Isn’t there a plaque at the Statue of Liberty saying something like:
Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
The US and Canada were literally started by immigration, grown by it. Before these two countries were born it belonged to First Nations and the wild. The attitude of ‘fuck you I got mine’ is classic boomer and why society is so fucked today. If they weren’t so rightfully scared of ICE they’d be taxpayers, adding even more value to the country than just their labour and culture alone.
Many of them do pay taxes, via shared SS numbers, but can never claim the benefits.
They’re helping pay for the boomers’ social security right now.
I feel like that’s gotta be a scam on the employer side where it benefits the employer only…
They get used to sign up for cell phones and cable TV too. The businesses all know which SS# are shared, but don’t care because they pay on time.
Those folks should be taken in, processed, housed as appropriate (if they have status), or deported.
We claim to be the best country on the planet, let’s act like it. Dominate the immigrant issue.
Imo, build a service-to-citizenship path, for those that don’t already have standing. These people want to build a life. Let them. And let America benefit TRANSPARENTLY from their effort. Make a new civilian conservation corps, and help bring America into a new public works era.
You running for President dawg?
Free slurpees for everyone
10/10, your first comment had my vote. Your second one makes me want to be a grassroots donor (Your budget is gonna be tight af though 😂)
I for one am inspired!
Tell me you have never read the bipartisan immigration bill without telling me you have never read the bill.
Is the text of that bill even available yet?
Is he doing nothing?
With nothing but a command he could stop this. Instead he lets the proto fascist leaders to practice deploying troops throughout America. Why do you think they’re practicing this during an election year? Biden is letting the practice couping.
You’re arguing the opposite point of the person to whom I was responding, but you seem to have the same overall goal. You both sound like you want Biden to seem ineffective about the border no matter what he does. Either you aren’t able to follow the thread of discussion or you are arguing in bad faith. In either case, you should be aware that your stated position in this context puts you in league with people you seem to oppose.
Thats a lot of sentences to not tell me why Biden should allow them to continue a dress rehersal for civil war.
I don’t think you’re responding to the discussion you think you’re responding to.
I do, im responding to the person who’s dodging the question.
I personally do not care about illegal crossings, it does not affect me in the slightest. Immigration is a net positive for the country imo, and I really don’t care about if it happens the “right way” or not. Fuck borders shit is a scam.
The right move is for the GOP clowns in Congress to actually agree to do something about it. That said, the idea that nothing is being does is just plain idiotic. There are around 20,000 border patrol agents. What exactly is it you think they spend their time doing?
What exactly is it you think they spend their time doing?
Cutting the barriers put in place to stop illegal crossings, lol
I think that my favorite part of the Bible is where Jesus puts razor wire in the river to keep people from entering his country.
For fuck’s sake, shut this down already. They’re going to keep ratcheting until they get a response, and if they go far enough the next step is to actually start fighting. It’s not a harmless stunt, this is normalizing the steps toward armed rebellion.
For fuck’s sake, shut this down already.
Are you referring to the illegal crossings or the attempts to prevent illegal crossings?
I think he means the illegal deployment of a debatably illegal state militia.
Shut the duck up you nazi
Just a fascist doing fascist things.
That also makes for more NatGuard troops for Biden to activate if Abbott does truly shit the bed and actually stops or conspires to stop Federal officers from cutting down razor wire.
This doesn’t sound like National Guard troops. It’s referred to specifically as “State Guard” and says it was only reestablished in 2022. I’m pretty sure the Florida National Guard has existed longer than that.
It’s both
DeSantis orders Florida National, State Guard members to Texas border
Gov. Ron DeSantis said Thursday he is sending National and Florida State Guard troops to Texas
What is the difference really? Sorry if this is a stupid question.
One is the Florida National Guard, which the President can Federalize, the other are the Florida State Guard, recently reactivated, which are jumped up state troopers with less training, which answer directly to the Governor’s office.
But normally the FL National Guard is under the governor’s command?
So essentially the fulfill the same role until the National Guard is Federalized…is what I’m asking, I guess.
Thanks for your response btw :)
Ah, ok.
State Guards and National Guards usually train and deploy together for in-state activities. Only the National Guard can be federalized, though.
For fucks sake, they really want Civil War 2, don’t they.
What’s crazy is, no, they don’t want war. They want to get reelected indefinitely for status and profit, and will say anything to get that. The shit they say incites their followers to want war, and that is advantageous for them.
The politicians know their bluffs will be called, but if they keep people mad and scared, they can keep farming donations and votes from rubes. They’ve done it for decades. This rhetoric gets stale eventually, so they have to keep amplifying the message, to the point they’re now posturing for a civil war they know won’t ever come.
Meanwhile, their voters are bashing people on the head with hammers or killing family members because they’ve been told to be scared for decades, and are now being told to fight back.
The politicians know their bluffs will be called,
They want their bluffs to be called, because then they can squawk ab it it the big bad Deep State oppressing them.
I don’t really know what DeSantis and Trump really want. I know some of these people who follow them though, and yes, they absolutely want civil war. That may not continue if it starts happening and they find out what the reality is like, but right now they want it.
I mean that’s the thing, to fight a war these retirees would have to actually do some fighting. The younger population-read: the ones they expect to fight for them-are almost universally not fucking interested in defending their bigotry
The population I was thinking of sits inside a kind of late-30s-to-mid-40s, white man with child custody issues and a lot of bitterness which right-wing media likes to feed into, middle ground. The 60+ year olds want a civil war but with rare exceptions will do absolutely 0 to move it forward. The sub-30-year-olds I think are mostly just not Republicans except for some outliers. But there’s a not insignificant number of guys out there in the in between who wish they could worry about troop movements and have their grand adventure instead of worrying about excise tax warrants and layoffs.
We would have to actually end the first civil war before we could technically start a new one. They did have terms of surrender etc signed. But only the leadership surrendered. It’s been a cold civil war for at least the last hundred years plus
You know, either they really want to start another war, or this is just a damn show for this crazy ass election cycle that’s taking place. Probably both. They want to be able to tell their constituents “we’re doing everything we can to save this country, and we’re telling the Feds to F off while we do it. And their base just eats it up like taco night.
Since it looks like the GOP is going to loose at the next election, a civil war is one of the few options left
It would seem to me that if a governor could order military actions in another state, that would make this a nation of 50 commander-in-chiefs, not one. I would think that, if not under orders from POTUS, any military actions of the Florida National Guard in another state would be illegal.
I feel the obvious thing that is happening is they are trying to normalize it in a lead up to civil war. One inch at a time they are consciously walking towards normalizing state on state interference. It’s same reason we are seeing texas trying to get medical records from a Seattle hospital. Pushing the boundaries is the MO.
Ah but this isn’t the National Guard, it’s the Florida State Guard. The first time it existed was because the actual National Guard was busy in WW2. Now lil Ronny resurrected it to use as his personal police force.
Arguably, putting up razor wire isn’t military action. It’s construction. The intent is obvious of course, but the constitution doesn’t usually cover intent.
I believe they’re referring to DeShitstain sending troops to Texas.
Yes, but if they aren’t going to fight, it isn’t a military action. If they end up fighting it would get interesting from a legal standpoint
I don’t support DeSantis or the hanging of new wire, but dont National Guards get deployed to other states for disaster recovery like floods and wild fires? Not sure about the clasification of razor wire, but might not be a stretch. I agree military operations would be an overstep.
The important distinction here is he is sending the Florida State Guard, which is completely separate from the Florida contingent of the National Guard. He brought the force back after it was defunct for 75 years. They are legally not allowed to act outside the borders of Florida.
But when has law ever stopped this guy.
Arrest every officer involved. Including desantis. Charge? Insurrection.
If Florida seceded… we get to call the wall “America’s Cock Ring”. Just saying.
Not like it matters, that cock is gonna shrink smaller and smaller with climate change.
Exactly what happens when you have a cock ring too tight and don’t remove it
Oooof
Have you ever see somebody’s ears after they’ve stretched them without the rings?
don’t tell them that. They’re proud of being the state shaped like a giant dick.
wait. maybe that’ll get them on board with fighting climate change…
Can’t really arrest a standing governor. Need to impeach I think
his immunity only extends to state charges, but yeah, impeachment would seem to be on order.
Fat Ron wasting yet more taxpayer money
Don’t forget that, last year, when actual Nazis were goose stepping outside of Disney, Traitor Ron didn’t make any effort whatsoever to stop them.
Why would he try to stop his voters?
Indeed. That’s his base.
Sounds like DeSantis is an insurrectionist too.
He only wishes
Why is it only a crisis in Texas and not Florida, New Mexico, Arizona, or California?
I get a lot of people are crossing over, fleeing violence and political unrest but it seems like only Texas is posturing and turning it into a political issue.
Texas has the shitest state government of them. Who also love to grandstand the most
Florida would like a word
True but still 2nd to Texas. At least until they also have an AG only in power to avoid prison or other charges
I’m positive he doesn’t have the capacity to do this since it pertains to operations outside of state lines, but these assholes really want to run and push the limits to trigger a court case. As I’m seeing this, if the Florida Troops do anything like harm a person, they are fucked.
There is nothing legal about this.
Hasn’t seemed to be a concern for them yet.
That picture of the guy in the middle of the razor wire is fucking harrowing
I hate all the people that think it’s cool and get mad at me for being horrified at that bullshit
