The average employee returning to the office spends $561 per month–that's the average two-person household’s grocery bill in the U.S. for the entire month.
I don’t know how people feel the need to lie about things like this.
You’re telling me that in the United State of America, there are cities that exist that do not have buses or subways or trollies or taxis or Ubers or bike shares? Please, tell me which city has none of these options?
Plus all too often, buses have been the neglected stepchild of public transit and at least have the reputation of dirty, smelly, broken, crime ridden. I don’t think that’s true for the most part but there’s a psychological part to deal with, in addition to investing enough to keep things in good running order
WTF are you going on about? We’re talking about city bus routes to get you around town. Most bus routes are at most a ten minute walk. To claim that a city bus is 30 miles away is a verifiable lie. Do you not know what a city or a bus or a mile is?
While technically true, car and bike share aren’t publicly managed, they are affordable forms of transportation available to the public that negate the need to have a vehicle in a city.
You’re doing a really poor job of using your words to communicate whatever it is that’s on your mind. Are you having a different conversation than the rest of us?
You responded to me when I said I don’t need a car in a city because of all the publicly available transportation. You said “That’s great that you have that but those options don’t exist in most of the US”.
I said my point was that living in a city is more convenient than most of the country which is not a city.
You said “We’re talking about cities…” then went on to claim without a source that “Maybe 10% of those have useable public transport”.
You doubled down and responded to “Public transportation is certainly an option in cities.” with “Not in US cities.”
And now you are claiming that there are cities where the closest bus stop is 30 miles away.
I don’t know if a 30 mile wide city is even a thing that exists anywhere in the country let alone the fact that what you’re claiming would likely mean the city is actually 61 miles wide for someone to be 30 miles from the nearest bus.
Perhaps if you could be more specific about the location you have in mind we could have an intelligent conversation.
I am asking you what your point is and you’re throwing out ideas not based in reality.
The point that I made, that you are attempting to prove wrong, is that cities have readily available affordable transportation and if more people move to and work in cities they’d become even more robust and human-friendly. I’m suggesting that the lives of people living in the suburbs and working in cities (or pleading not to return to city office spaces), would be more affordable, flexibly, and convenient if they forwent private vehicle ownership in favor of living in a city and utilizing not-private transportation.
You seem to believe that cities do not have not-private transportation or a bus within thirty miles. That is a detail that’s very relevant to the point of the conversation.
I don’t know how I could possibly be more clear about my point. Most US cities do not have sufficient public transportation to consider as a realistic alternative. I’ve already given several examples from the city I personally live in.
The point that I made, that you are attempting to prove wrong
I’m not attempting to prove anything. I’m just telling you that you’re wrong. And clearly the vast majority agrees.
if more people move to and work in cities they’d become even more robust and human-friendly
People do want to live and work in cities. That’s why it’s more expensive. Like 5-10x more expensive in my area. Selling my car ain’t gonna cover that cost. Cities do nothing but build more and bigger highways that spread further away from town and mandate giant parking lots. You have it backwards.
You seem to believe that cities do not have not-private transportation or a bus within thirty miles.
Forget the thirty miles. Call it 10 miles. How are you gonna get there? Ride your bike? Great, add another hour to your commute, on top of the extra hour it takes the bus to get you into town instead of driving. Assuming you’re not murdered on your way to the bus stop because the city lacks proper cycling infrastructure.
It would be helpful to know what cit you live in. I’m in Philadelphia. There’s literally a bus stop 12 steps from my front door. The next three closest stops are each a block away. I can not fathom a city that doesn’t have a bus stop more than a fifteen minute walk - let alone ten miles(!) away.
In my city, it’s substantially cheaper to live here than in the suburbs with a car. This certainly fluctuates across the country but 5-10x more is ridiculous. Maybe twice as much at most or three times as much in places like SF and NY. As I stated from the beginning, those are exceptions.
You have it backwards. It’s the suburbs that are the cause for so many highways. You can’t have suburbs without highways to get around. Cities are self contained. I have no need for a highway. Nor a parking lot. It’s the people who live in the suburbs who visit and work in the city who use parking lots. This is all apparent in your own statement; “selling a car… cities build more highways” is grossly illogical.
You are clearly hyper focused on people who live in a suburb and want to get to a city. You are ignoring the entire point of the conversation.
I don’t know how people feel the need to lie about things like this.
You’re telling me that in the United State of America, there are cities that exist that do not have buses or subways or trollies or taxis or Ubers or bike shares? Please, tell me which city has none of these options?
No one is lying. There are options and there are viable options. A bus route 30 miles away does nothing to help you.
Ride shares are not public transportation. Bikes do no good if you don’t have bike lanes to safely ride them in.
Plus all too often, buses have been the neglected stepchild of public transit and at least have the reputation of dirty, smelly, broken, crime ridden. I don’t think that’s true for the most part but there’s a psychological part to deal with, in addition to investing enough to keep things in good running order
WTF are you going on about? We’re talking about city bus routes to get you around town. Most bus routes are at most a ten minute walk. To claim that a city bus is 30 miles away is a verifiable lie. Do you not know what a city or a bus or a mile is?
While technically true, car and bike share aren’t publicly managed, they are affordable forms of transportation available to the public that negate the need to have a vehicle in a city.
LOOOOLOLOL okay go ahead and “verify” that nowhere in America is 30 miles from a bus stop. I’ll wait.
You’re doing a really poor job of using your words to communicate whatever it is that’s on your mind. Are you having a different conversation than the rest of us?
You responded to me when I said I don’t need a car in a city because of all the publicly available transportation. You said “That’s great that you have that but those options don’t exist in most of the US”.
I said my point was that living in a city is more convenient than most of the country which is not a city.
You said “We’re talking about cities…” then went on to claim without a source that “Maybe 10% of those have useable public transport”.
You doubled down and responded to “Public transportation is certainly an option in cities.” with “Not in US cities.”
And now you are claiming that there are cities where the closest bus stop is 30 miles away.
I don’t know if a 30 mile wide city is even a thing that exists anywhere in the country let alone the fact that what you’re claiming would likely mean the city is actually 61 miles wide for someone to be 30 miles from the nearest bus.
Perhaps if you could be more specific about the location you have in mind we could have an intelligent conversation.
If I wanted a recap of our conversation I would have asked ChatGPT. You’re getting caught up in the details and intentionally ignoring the point.
I am asking you what your point is and you’re throwing out ideas not based in reality.
The point that I made, that you are attempting to prove wrong, is that cities have readily available affordable transportation and if more people move to and work in cities they’d become even more robust and human-friendly. I’m suggesting that the lives of people living in the suburbs and working in cities (or pleading not to return to city office spaces), would be more affordable, flexibly, and convenient if they forwent private vehicle ownership in favor of living in a city and utilizing not-private transportation.
You seem to believe that cities do not have not-private transportation or a bus within thirty miles. That is a detail that’s very relevant to the point of the conversation.
I don’t know how I could possibly be more clear about my point. Most US cities do not have sufficient public transportation to consider as a realistic alternative. I’ve already given several examples from the city I personally live in.
I’m not attempting to prove anything. I’m just telling you that you’re wrong. And clearly the vast majority agrees.
People do want to live and work in cities. That’s why it’s more expensive. Like 5-10x more expensive in my area. Selling my car ain’t gonna cover that cost. Cities do nothing but build more and bigger highways that spread further away from town and mandate giant parking lots. You have it backwards.
Forget the thirty miles. Call it 10 miles. How are you gonna get there? Ride your bike? Great, add another hour to your commute, on top of the extra hour it takes the bus to get you into town instead of driving. Assuming you’re not murdered on your way to the bus stop because the city lacks proper cycling infrastructure.
It would be helpful to know what cit you live in. I’m in Philadelphia. There’s literally a bus stop 12 steps from my front door. The next three closest stops are each a block away. I can not fathom a city that doesn’t have a bus stop more than a fifteen minute walk - let alone ten miles(!) away.
In my city, it’s substantially cheaper to live here than in the suburbs with a car. This certainly fluctuates across the country but 5-10x more is ridiculous. Maybe twice as much at most or three times as much in places like SF and NY. As I stated from the beginning, those are exceptions.
You have it backwards. It’s the suburbs that are the cause for so many highways. You can’t have suburbs without highways to get around. Cities are self contained. I have no need for a highway. Nor a parking lot. It’s the people who live in the suburbs who visit and work in the city who use parking lots. This is all apparent in your own statement; “selling a car… cities build more highways” is grossly illogical.
You are clearly hyper focused on people who live in a suburb and want to get to a city. You are ignoring the entire point of the conversation.