• fox2263@lemmy.world
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    10 days ago

    Maybe Ukraine are like yeah sure we will do a ceasefire bro, just like you’ve done all these times over the years lmao

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    11 days ago

    I mean… not to say the Nazi problem is a just reason for the war but when yall refuse a ceasefire to celebrate defeating Nazis and are drone striking apartment buildings days before it, and talking about targeting oil and energy and such… like… I just… idk man sounds kinda bad.

    Like yes Russia bad, but the oligarchy, not the people.

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      10 days ago

      Nah, Russia started the war, they have the option to end it at any time.

      They can just leave Ukraine, but they don’t.

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      10 days ago

      Why should Russia get to decide when to have a ceasefire but never Ukraine?

      If Russia wants to celebrate nationalistic holidays, let them do it when not causing a genocidal territorial invasion.

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      10 days ago

      This is like saying Iranians are bad for blocking the Hormuz strait due to invasion and causing higher oil prices in US

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      10 days ago

      The Russians started the war more than 10 years ago .

      The Russian people stood behind the invasion of ukraine.

      So ?

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      10 days ago

      The strikes on apartment buildings on both sides are not because they’re being targeted but the results of jamming. Every drone will hit something.

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        Bad take. Russia is absolutely committing genocide in Ukraine. Bombing thousands of civis isn’t just an accident. They literally bombed random cars for no reason. This is just denying the genocide and pro Russian propaganda.

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          10 days ago

          Pointing out that civilian deaths happen on both sides and that not every strike is necessarily intentional is not “denying genocide” or Russian propaganda.

          It’s possible for both things to be true: Russia is committing serious war crimes, and Ukraine has also caused civilian casualties (sometimes intentionally, sometimes not). The rush to smear any nuance as propaganda is exactly what prevents honest discussion.

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            You kind of broad brushed every civilian casualty as an accident on both sides. Pointing that out isn’t smearing nuance, as YOU were not being nuanced.

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              10 days ago

              Every misrepresentation of what others have said is a confession about your own character.

              I’m explicitly talking about drones hitting apartment buildings. I’ve made no comment about civilian deaths outside of that.

              What reason would Ukraine have to target a skyscraper in Moscow? None. It was clearly jammed and hit whatever ended up in its path.