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  • freagle@lemmy.mlBanned from communityEnglish
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    2 days ago

    Just because you agree with me on my points doesn’t mean they aren’t nuance.

    What good does deriding AOC do? Well, the ML strategy with electoralism is to demonstrate that electoralism doesn’t work. AOC has some history of working with CIA carve outs and she has a tendency to be quite performative in her politics. But we don’t really think individual Congress people have any real power to change anything. No one really cares if you vote for her or not. But if you try to use her as an example of how voting can change things, we’re going to point out her history and her record and sow the field with the ideas that honestly she’s just another sheepdog like Bernie is, attracting organizing power, labor and effort when it needs to be directed at revolution.

    I don’t know why the standard should be that I can tie deriding individual politicians to the Cuba situation. That doesn’t make a lot of sense. That’s less “nuance” and more “arbitrary bullshit”.

    • Lasherz@lemmy.world
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      2 days ago

      Wouldn’t a full fledged abandonment of electoralism, the kind that would be required to look at AOC as an enemy, just be excellerationism? I guess if your loyalties are always strictly dismantling* US stability then you’d just view it as starving the beast. In this way you’d be pretty well aligned with incompetent fascists, since the US is in a spiraling decline that will now inevitably result in us losing our authority on the world stage. Just for different reasons than they would use I guess.

      In that way, how can leftists take MLs seriously, when their world view is largely agreement, but their actions and attacks are directly opposed to democratic socialists a lot of the time. You also have to couple in that while you may attack fascists too, any division amongst the left is multiplied by 100x over divisions in the center or right since billionaires hold the microphone.

      It’s not really arbitrary when those you agree most with are also in your crosshairs on actions of substance. It’s also very telling that most situation here on Lemmy that at least I see ML presence it’s on these edge cases, rather than things like Rick Scott almost single handedly showing a failure of electoral politics when he created the nations biggest organized Medicaid fraud ring, something people being polled seem to care about, and then was elected into office anyways as an equal to Bernie Sanders. Is this a blind spot on my part or do you feel calling out the best representatives as more impact for your message that the system sucks? What we see is us working and you complaining.

      Edit: word missing.