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    just looking at the inner values and beliefs of them I guess.

    Do you have any specific examples of values and beliefs that you liked better than any of the other religions or christian denominations?

    Catholicism stood out because God is all loving, and forgiving

    My protestant church said that too, and emphasized Jesus’s forgiveness.

    and actual scientific evidence of miracles and proof

    Could you share those? I’ve never seen any scientific evidence of miracles despite looking for it.

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        Ah… I’m sorry, but neither of those events would stand as proof in a scientific context.

        In the first case, medical oddities occur quite frequently, and it’s not unlikely that patient had an unusual form of cancer that was particularly receptive to the more primitive treatment at the time. I would not classify an unusual experience as a miracle, personally. I have seen many similar stories and claims from the alternative cancer cure community, all of which I have found to be grifting, yet to those less skeptical, seem quite convincing.

        The second case is extremely dubious, as it is purely hearsay that the flesh suddenly appeared, and it would be quite easy to simply place the supposed flesh photographed and claim it morphed there naturally. Church officials are not immune to lying, corruption, or deceit as history shows, so without an unrelated 3rd party having been present and verifying in real-time, to me it seems clear that it’s a stunt, as the evidence is about as convincing or trustworthy as the Loch Ness monster photograph.

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          the matter was tested, and it was heart tissue that had the WBCs alive, they usually die 2 hours after being removed from the body.

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            There are some pretty solid criticisms on how it was tested.

            Scientific debates surrounding Ricardo Castañón Gómez’s investigations into alleged Eucharistic miracles have centered on methodological concerns raised by forensic scientists, particularly regarding the Buenos Aires case of 1996. Critics argue that the testing protocols exhibited bias, with the selection of primarily pathologists and cardiologists predisposing results toward interpretations of human cardiac tissue without input from microbiologists or mycologists to explore alternative explanations. This approach, according to a 2024 analysis in the Journal of Forensic Science Research, reflects a lack of true blind testing, as the involvement of a camera crew may have signaled the sample’s significance to experts, potentially influencing their conclusions.

            Questions about sample handling have been prominent, especially in the Buenos Aires investigation, where the host was stored in water for several years before analysis and handled by multiple individuals without personal protective equipment, heightening contamination risks. A forensic review highlights that no chain-of-custody documentation or spike controls were used to detect inhibitory substances, which could compromise DNA results showing only low concentrations of human genetic material. Furthermore, the absence of peer-reviewed publications for these findings has drawn scrutiny, as the studies have not undergone standard scientific validation processes, relying instead on reports from select experts without broader interdisciplinary review. Potential contamination from environmental factors, such as bacteria like Serratia marcescens or fungi producing reddish pigments, was not adequately ruled out, with control experiments demonstrating that unconsecrated wafers under similar conditions can yield comparable appearances due to microbial growth.

            Speaking for myself, I would not personally take that test as adequate evidence of the supernatural.

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              this is basically

              “they took pictures so yeah, yeah, they thought it was important so they couldnt debunk it”

              and contamination risks are present, but to be honest WHO is cutting up a human heart and mixing it up with microbial growths and who has human cardiac tissue on their fingers?

              and the WBCs were alive.

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      I really did not go into Protestantism as it removed 6 books from the Bible and branced off from thr one true Church

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        I see. How how did you determine that the Protestant’s reasons for removing those books was illegitimate (as far as I can tell, they claim that the 6 additional books were not included in the original Hebrew canon, essentially saying that the catholic additions were not inspired works, and that they are closer to a more pure, unadulterated Bible), also how did Eastern Orthodoxy fare in the overall assessment?

        Did it concern you at all that Catholicism once burned people at the stake for translating the Bible into English (which in practice would lessen the power the priesthood had in disseminating the Bible)?

        Lastly, I’m quite curious how you then determined that an Abrahamic religion (Catholicism) was the only true religion, what set it apart from Taoism, Buddhism, Sikhism, etc, as the only source of spiritual truth for you?

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          removing ANY books from the Bible is illegitimate as stated so by Revelation. The original Bible was Catholic.

          Eastern Orthodoxy is way more complicated, I can say it was for theological reasons I did not go into it.

          The catholic emperor did that, not the Church and the Church does indeed have some bits of dark history.

          As I said, scientific proof instead of vibes, and God being all loving. Buddhism preaches works instead of faith, but we still have original sin.

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            From what I understand, and as someone who once had an interest in ancient bibles, even ordering a re-print of scans of an original tyndale bible in Olde English, I don’t believe it’s quite so cut and dried. Biblical texts and the Dead Sea Scrolls were originally in Hebrew, and from modern archeology it appears that even then, there were multiple versions, with some differing greatly.

            https://www.bibleodyssey.org/articles/what-are-the-earliest-versions-and-translations-of-the-bible/

            The Catholic Church was the first sect of Christianity to add in those 7 books later, in their own Latin translation of the Bible..

            Personally I must observe it is rather convenient that the books they added just so happened to contain material which bolstered their political power, wealth, and importance in society by requiring the Church as a necessary intermediary (besides it being in a language only they could read).

            Buddhism preaches works instead of faith, but we still have original sin.

            I’m not quite sure how that applies. The concept of original sin only exists in the abrahamic religions. When you were assessing the other religions, were you doing so under the assumption that Christianity’s original sin was already a truism and determined the merit of the other religions based on how they applied to that concept? If so, how did you determine that Original Sin is by default, a scientific universal truth?

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              The Catholic Church is the original church, and the Pope holds the same authority as Peter.

              And the Bible is just a bunch of books joined together.

              Original Sin is true, that is fact. Take a look around the world. It will let you know.

              And if 7 books are the problem, why remove 6?

              Jesus literally handed Peter the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven.

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                Original Sin is true, that is fact. Take a look around the world. It will let you know.

                Personally I would put forward that starting with that assumption is more gut-feeling/vibe based than science based, since our negative behaviors are able to be explained without the need for a supernatural answer.

                I guess I’ll conclude with an observation; I started with equating ML’s to religious indoctrination since they have a sunk cost and interest only believing sources that reinforce their worldview despite solid evidence that is contrary to their views. I personally believe all dogmatic religions encourage that same phenomena, with the abrahamic religions and their offshoots being particularly stifling (though others such as Confucianism can be similarly bad), due to their direct encouragement of seeing any outside information as the devil’s work.

                As someone who believed those dogmas for a long time, I know that such teachings essentially give a perception of paranoia that any person who isn’t in the same club is a potential source of evil or temptation into the mind, which results in automatically assuming all counter-information being dismissed or not properly investigated out of the discomfort it can create. I personally look back on those days as a very bleak and sad time due to that worldview, I hope you avoid it.

                As all of the information presented was exclusively from biased pro-catholic sources, I’m sorry to say I remain unconvinced, just as I remain unconvinced by ML’s for similar reasons. However, I want to say thank you for taking the time to explain how you came to these conclusions and views, I did find it enlightening.

                I wish you the best.