All part of the weapons industry plan. The myth that you need guns to be free, that you need guns to revolt, that the world is full of criminals waiting to launch an attack on your home, that global supply chains and regulations that disseminate the food you buy are not to be trusted and you need to drive 4 hours out of your suburbia to go hunting for meat - all an advertising scheme to sell you metal fireworks toys. Not negating their real utility in niche applications but those applications remain just that - niche. Civilized nations don’t need to kowtow to this predatory industry.
More a key role in tourism and managing deforestation. Natural resource management agencies take care of the difference at the end of the season to prevent starvation regardless of hunter involvement.
We almost hunted them to extinction and our continuous destruction of their habitat and eradication of their predators means they can basically never reach equalibrium again, so it’s just a constant risk of over consumption, over population and starvation.
Hunters mostly make a lot of money for the area selling the license, both through fees and the economic activity of the hunters.
Actually letting things get better would involve reintroducing a non-trivial number of wolves, which is largely opposed by farmers and some hunting groups since it would reduce the population of deer.
So they do currently play a key role, but largely because it’s something they want and it’s generally pretty profitable. It’s just treading water though, since no one with power is particularly interested in fixing it.
Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and every other state I can think of to check with a deer population?
I’m not sure what you mean by selling a felling permit. You charge a fee for a deer hunting license.
Trophy hunting is quite different and also usually illegal.
What are you talking about? Hunting deer for the antlers is about half the reason people do it. If it’s illegal it’s probably the most regulated and licensed crime I’ve encountered.
Sometimes some populations are controlled. Like moose for instance. The populations are much smaller, and thus need more careful managing, so you can’t just kill any moose you like. A hunting club gets a certain amount of felling permits, and you can’t hunt without belonging to a hunting club, and you can’t join a hunting club unless you live in the municipality of the hunting club.
Hunting deer for the antlers is about half the reason people do it.
I take it you don’t live in the US, since a lot of what you’re saying is just grossly wrong if you do.
Since the conversation was about the US I’m not sure I understand bringing another countries laws into it.
I certainly don’t understand your response to the antler comment. I don’t know a single hunter who doesn’t have at least the antlers of their best buck mounted on the wall, and in many cases an ominous number of heads.
I don’t know a single hunter who doesn’t have at least the antlers of their best buck
Oh so most the hunters you know are so shit they’ve only killed two deer ever, since you said it was half the reason?
I don’t know a single hunter with deer antlers on the wall. Maybe in the 70’s akd 80’s if you happened to fell a particularly old buck with like 10 spikes or more.
But anyone under the age of 60 hasn’t had antlers hanging on their walls since the 90’s. Last time I saw some coincided with heavily nicotine yellow walls from indoor smoking.
Hunting roe deer is like shooting vermin, basically. While selling deer tags (apparently that’s what you call felling permits) is apparently possible and hunting licences don’t have tests and you can buy them as non-residents (jesus the US really is a capitalist shithole), who the fuck would want to hunt roe deer? I can see some large red deer being attractive for hunters, but that’s veering into trophy hunting. And since tje conversation is about population control and not trophy hunting, I don’t know why you’re bringing it up. ^(/s)
… You’re the one who brought up trophy hunting. It’s fine if you want to talk about someplace else, but usually people have some form of segue to let people know they’re shifting the topic. Otherwise you end up confusing people by talking about European hunting laws when they’re talking about US hunting laws.
Did you think the US had the same hunting laws as wherever you happen to be?
Licenses being sold to non-residents isn’t really the problematic part. There’s a quota and if it doesn’t get claimed the Forest service for whatever jurisdiction takes care of the balance.
We don’t have roe deer here. We have whitetail, which looks to be somewhere around half the size of a red deer, but there’s a lot of overlap in the weight range.
People put the trophy’s on the wall, and eat the meat.
If you’re interested in hunting it’s a pretty cost effective way to get meat.
All part of the weapons industry plan. The myth that you need guns to be free, that you need guns to revolt, that the world is full of criminals waiting to launch an attack on your home, that global supply chains and regulations that disseminate the food you buy are not to be trusted and you need to drive 4 hours out of your suburbia to go hunting for meat - all an advertising scheme to sell you metal fireworks toys. Not negating their real utility in niche applications but those applications remain just that - niche. Civilized nations don’t need to kowtow to this predatory industry.
Hunters play a key role in deer management programs for forest regeneration, but otherwise, yeah.
More a key role in tourism and managing deforestation. Natural resource management agencies take care of the difference at the end of the season to prevent starvation regardless of hunter involvement.
We almost hunted them to extinction and our continuous destruction of their habitat and eradication of their predators means they can basically never reach equalibrium again, so it’s just a constant risk of over consumption, over population and starvation.
Hunters mostly make a lot of money for the area selling the license, both through fees and the economic activity of the hunters.
Actually letting things get better would involve reintroducing a non-trivial number of wolves, which is largely opposed by farmers and some hunting groups since it would reduce the population of deer.
So they do currently play a key role, but largely because it’s something they want and it’s generally pretty profitable. It’s just treading water though, since no one with power is particularly interested in fixing it.
Where exactly is it legal to just sell felling permits to tourists, instead of requiring all hunters to actually have a local licence?
For deer.
Trophy hunting is quite different and also usually illegal.
Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and every other state I can think of to check with a deer population?
I’m not sure what you mean by selling a felling permit. You charge a fee for a deer hunting license.
What are you talking about? Hunting deer for the antlers is about half the reason people do it. If it’s illegal it’s probably the most regulated and licensed crime I’ve encountered.
Sometimes some populations are controlled. Like moose for instance. The populations are much smaller, and thus need more careful managing, so you can’t just kill any moose you like. A hunting club gets a certain amount of felling permits, and you can’t hunt without belonging to a hunting club, and you can’t join a hunting club unless you live in the municipality of the hunting club.
I take it you don’t live in the US, since a lot of what you’re saying is just grossly wrong if you do.
Since the conversation was about the US I’m not sure I understand bringing another countries laws into it.
I certainly don’t understand your response to the antler comment. I don’t know a single hunter who doesn’t have at least the antlers of their best buck mounted on the wall, and in many cases an ominous number of heads.
Oh so most the hunters you know are so shit they’ve only killed two deer ever, since you said it was half the reason?
I don’t know a single hunter with deer antlers on the wall. Maybe in the 70’s akd 80’s if you happened to fell a particularly old buck with like 10 spikes or more.
But anyone under the age of 60 hasn’t had antlers hanging on their walls since the 90’s. Last time I saw some coincided with heavily nicotine yellow walls from indoor smoking.
Hunting roe deer is like shooting vermin, basically. While selling deer tags (apparently that’s what you call felling permits) is apparently possible and hunting licences don’t have tests and you can buy them as non-residents (jesus the US really is a capitalist shithole), who the fuck would want to hunt roe deer? I can see some large red deer being attractive for hunters, but that’s veering into trophy hunting. And since tje conversation is about population control and not trophy hunting, I don’t know why you’re bringing it up. ^(/s)
… You’re the one who brought up trophy hunting. It’s fine if you want to talk about someplace else, but usually people have some form of segue to let people know they’re shifting the topic. Otherwise you end up confusing people by talking about European hunting laws when they’re talking about US hunting laws.
Did you think the US had the same hunting laws as wherever you happen to be?
Licenses being sold to non-residents isn’t really the problematic part. There’s a quota and if it doesn’t get claimed the Forest service for whatever jurisdiction takes care of the balance.
We don’t have roe deer here. We have whitetail, which looks to be somewhere around half the size of a red deer, but there’s a lot of overlap in the weight range.
People put the trophy’s on the wall, and eat the meat.
If you’re interested in hunting it’s a pretty cost effective way to get meat.