wait wait wait, i thought the whole point of this was the insinuation that he was homophonic and is blamed for creating gay work camps and committing human rights violations against gay people. this person lays out a detailed rebuttal on the major talking points that would back the accusers assertions… but now it’s “well everyone at the time was homophobic!, so i am still technically right!”
so you do know there is a difference between someone who uses the word gay to mean bad or gross, and someone who commands the creation of concentration camps to commit human rights violations against gay people right?
it’s a little dishonest. is this moving the goal post?
so you do know there is a difference between someone who uses the word gay to mean bad or gross, and someone who commands the creation of concentration camps to commit human rights violations against gay people right?
The latter relies on the former to attain power. We should tolerate neither.
you are inventing an enemy of your own choosing instead of being honest with this “discussion”
i never said that, but i can see why you would rather argue someone who acutely believed that then admit you lack the bare basic nuance to separate hitler from an edgy 90’s tween, due to not wanting to actully defend the argument against Che after, from what i can see, is a very reasonable rebuttal.
you must have something against Che, but are unable to articulate why he is bad
Like honestly, how many dudes born in the 1920’s had any sort of positive view on homosexuality? Crazy how hero worship whitewashes people who weren’t heros.
Is it really that shocking that a man in the 1950s has homophobic views?
Is that the problem you see here?
Really?
A shitlib waddles into a leftist space, does what every shitlib does whenever Che’s name gets mentioned and craps out the standard shitlib disinformational propaganda about him they always do, and that’s the problem you see here?
You linked a source saying this; he called a gay man a pervert.
I hate to be the one to break it to you… but LQBTQ people get to be perverts too - just like the rest of us.
I don’t understand the consternation with accepting Che was homophobic.
He was a product of his times.
Is it really that shocking that a man in the 1950s has homophobic views?
You linked a source saying this; he called a gay man a pervert.
Why die on this hill?
Yeah, I mean, even FDR personally murdered dozens of gay people with a chainsaw.
Oh wait! I made that up! But I bet I can find some problematic statement he said at some point in his life, so I guess that’s fine that I said that.
wait wait wait, i thought the whole point of this was the insinuation that he was homophonic and is blamed for creating gay work camps and committing human rights violations against gay people. this person lays out a detailed rebuttal on the major talking points that would back the accusers assertions… but now it’s “well everyone at the time was homophobic!, so i am still technically right!”
so you do know there is a difference between someone who uses the word gay to mean bad or gross, and someone who commands the creation of concentration camps to commit human rights violations against gay people right?
it’s a little dishonest. is this moving the goal post?
The latter relies on the former to attain power. We should tolerate neither.
so you don’t recognize the difference then. and your entire point is meaningless.
and i would think you would be happy to know that he hasn’t used such language in quite a few years.
Translation: “I want to normalize but not reclaim a slur. How do I spin this so it doesn’t seem so bad?”
you are inventing an enemy of your own choosing instead of being honest with this “discussion”
i never said that, but i can see why you would rather argue someone who acutely believed that then admit you lack the bare basic nuance to separate hitler from an edgy 90’s tween, due to not wanting to actully defend the argument against Che after, from what i can see, is a very reasonable rebuttal.
you must have something against Che, but are unable to articulate why he is bad
Nice gaslighting attempt, but I’m not buying it. If someone uses “gay” as a synonym for anything bad, I don’t respect them.
Toodle-oo!
ok, good to know for certain that you were a waste of time
Like honestly, how many dudes born in the 1920’s had any sort of positive view on homosexuality? Crazy how hero worship whitewashes people who weren’t heros.
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Is that the problem you see here?
Really?
A shitlib waddles into a leftist space, does what every shitlib does whenever Che’s name gets mentioned and craps out the standard shitlib disinformational propaganda about him they always do, and that’s the problem you see here?
I hate to be the one to break it to you… but LQBTQ people get to be perverts too - just like the rest of us.
Oh yeah, he was probably being sex-positive when he called homosexuality perversion /s
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