We don’t have the resource extraction or manufacturing capacity for a full renewable transition yet, we are still building it. We can, and should, continue to use our current factories, but they are incapable of meeting the scope we will need as we transition.
If you’re going to make claims like this, at least back them up with some kind of trustworthy source. Globally we already have massive supply chains for storage, panels and turbines and have had for some time.
Since you have decided to debate in bad faith, It’s obvious you’ve made an emotional decision that renewables = fucking awesome, and now you’re trying and failing to justify your stance.
I’m basing my opinions on data. Studies such as this one:
Thank you for not even trying to discuss a single point Ive brought up, even as I address yours, really highlights our differences.
I’m sorry, but once you devolved to name calling, I really stopped caring about what you said. You’ve already revealed how you don’t care about facts. I’ve been consistently upvoting your posts during this debate until you reached that point.
I hope you have a good day, and stop standing in the way of a sustainable future before it’s too late.
Most of us are working to save the planet I’m an expedited fashion, with a goal of a transition away from carbon emitting sources as soon as possible, you are not.
I’m sorry, but once you devolved to name calling, I really stopped caring about what you said.
No, I cited sources, you did not because you can’t and now you’re taking your ball home. Pretty much every interaction with a pro-nuclear fanboy ends this way because you have no argument, just feels.
I didn’t downvote any of your posts, but I’m happy to return the favor.
I’m sorry you feel this way, but it’s pretty clear my facts can’t compete with your feelings. You haven’t provided an argument; you’ve provided drive-by link dropping without actually quoting or understanding the data.
Since you dropped the Lazard LCOE+ report, you should probably read its explicit caveats: Lazard openly states that standard Levelized Cost of Energy does not include grid integration, transmission, or the exponential system costs of full-scale energy storage. When you look at their actual “Firming” metrics (adding storage to intermittent renewables), the cost advantage begins to shrink significantly.
If you decide to push a all-renewable future, please don’t try to stand in the way of those of us who want a diversified, realistic mix to curtail CO2 emissions in the short term. I have consistently agreed that the continued transition to renewables is needed, something you seem to ignore, but that persuing 100% renewable isn’t feasible in the short term.
If you’re going to make claims like this, at least back them up with some kind of trustworthy source. Globally we already have massive supply chains for storage, panels and turbines and have had for some time.
I’m basing my opinions on data. Studies such as this one:
https://www.lazard.com/research-insights/levelized-cost-of-energyplus-lcoeplus/
You are not.
Thank you for not even trying to discuss a single point Ive brought up, even as I address yours, really highlights our differences.
I’m sorry, but once you devolved to name calling, I really stopped caring about what you said. You’ve already revealed how you don’t care about facts. I’ve been consistently upvoting your posts during this debate until you reached that point.
I hope you have a good day, and stop standing in the way of a sustainable future before it’s too late.
Most of us are working to save the planet I’m an expedited fashion, with a goal of a transition away from carbon emitting sources as soon as possible, you are not.
No, I cited sources, you did not because you can’t and now you’re taking your ball home. Pretty much every interaction with a pro-nuclear fanboy ends this way because you have no argument, just feels.
I didn’t downvote any of your posts, but I’m happy to return the favor.
I’m sorry you feel this way, but it’s pretty clear my facts can’t compete with your feelings. You haven’t provided an argument; you’ve provided drive-by link dropping without actually quoting or understanding the data.
Since you dropped the Lazard LCOE+ report, you should probably read its explicit caveats: Lazard openly states that standard Levelized Cost of Energy does not include grid integration, transmission, or the exponential system costs of full-scale energy storage. When you look at their actual “Firming” metrics (adding storage to intermittent renewables), the cost advantage begins to shrink significantly.
I’ve consistently argued about the system engineering reality: the bottleneck to mine the massive amounts of copper, aluminum, and materials required to scale that storage to 100% makes the transition to renewables, without a nuclear backbone, a slower prospect, and often more expensive.
If you decide to push a all-renewable future, please don’t try to stand in the way of those of us who want a diversified, realistic mix to curtail CO2 emissions in the short term. I have consistently agreed that the continued transition to renewables is needed, something you seem to ignore, but that persuing 100% renewable isn’t feasible in the short term.