International fans visiting the US for the World Cup have become frustrated by the culture of having to tip servers, telling the BBC that tipping fatigue has set in.

Many international fans visiting the US for the World Cup have become frustrated by the culture of tipping servers, telling the BBC that tipping fatigue has set in.

England supporter Geoff Pryor said he understood tipping for good service, but he found it “weird” when buying a bottle of water and “they try to get a tip for doing nothing”.

In the US, staff at some restaurants and bars are paid just over $2 (£1.50) an hour, and they expect customers to tip about 20% of the total cost of the bill so they can earn a living.

Frustrations have also been shared by hospitality staff, with one bar owner telling the BBC that many World Cup tourists have been bad tippers.

        • patruelis@lemmy.world
          61·
          il y a 2 jours

          It is not the owner’s fault, it is everyone as a nation, accepting the practice and blaming customers.

          • zqps@sh.itjust.works
            3·
            il y a 1 jour

            It’s very much also the owners. Outsourcing your staff’s salaries to the customer while being able to advertise cheaper prices is an incredible deal for them while dropping all of the responsibility on the customers.

          • AxExRx@lemmy.world
            11·
            il y a 2 jours

            The customers end up paying the extra however you slice it. Be it tips, a non optional gratuity, or baked into the price. Most restaurant margins are surprisingly low, its not like theyre being greedy and hoarding the ‘extra’ money that would otherwise go to servers salary.

            The tip passing direct from the customer to the staff prevents it from being taxed 2x, (both sales and income dont get charged on tips) you’d be adding an extra 10% or more on top of the 20% if you moved to to a baked in cost.

            • reev@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              2·
              il y a 2 jours

              You guys are always so worried about your taxes. With the current administration I can see why, I guess. We’re not asking to not pay what we owe, we’re just asking that what we owe be transparent, like in a civilised country.

      • YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub
        11·
        il y a 1 jour

        I don’t get the employer a pass. But I live in a reality of tipped wages and have had a job like that before. I have solidarity with those workers by helping the make a livelihood. Me not tipping only benefits me and the owner. Not the laborer. It is immoral to withhold the money earned

        • Redfugee@lemmy.world
          1·
          il y a 1 jour

          The employer is the one withholding the money earned, the customer is simply paying the price that is advertised. The employer is the one that is exploiting the cheap labor, and if the labor looks to the customer to fix it it’s not going to work out.

            • Redfugee@lemmy.world
              1·
              il y a 1 jour

              Employers paying shitty wages are punishing workers, this is the source of your complaint. If workers got a fair wage to begin with, you wouldn’t give a shit about tipping. But employers pay a shit wage and have successfully got people like you to blame and shame customers instead of them. If you think this will resolve by arguing with the customers that aren’t subsiding the wages, well, good luck with that.

                • Redfugee@lemmy.world
                  1·
                  il y a 1 jour

                  I support workers getting a fair wage, full stop. Nice try pointing the blame away from employers who pay shit wages, they definitely need the focus off of them to perpetuate this system.

    • Tarambor@lemmy.world
      4·
      il y a 1 jour

      You suck for living in a nation that allows employers to use tips to make up a half decent wage.

        • BlindPenguin@lemmy.world
          1·
          il y a 1 jour

          That’s not solidarity in terms of labour. It’s just accepting the status quo, while doing a lip service to the people affected. If you really want to show solidarity, join a union and participate in collective action to improve the working conditions. The more people a union has, the stronger it can get. Worker rights in Europe didn’t come out of the good hearts of politicians or companies.

    • smeenz@lemmy.nz
      8·
      il y a 2 jours

      No, you suck for accepting and perpetuating a culture where it is necessary. Do the right thing and refuse to go along with it. Insist that all staff are paid livable wages. Petition your state to force the issue if necessary.

      • YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub
        12·
        il y a 1 jour

        Yes because me not tipping is going to end the system. Not tipping only benefits me and the owner. The staff is fucked. Only assholes think their individual lack of tipping with change a system. Systematic change requires a system to change.

    • sos242@thelemmy.club
      3·
      il y a 2 jours

      I have only read the comments here. I see employers are not paying minimum wages is the problem here.

      If minimum wages were paid tipping or not tipping is a question of good service and appreciation and not a question of survival.

      Place the blame on the business owners who refuse to pay fair wages to employees. This is a criminal act and customer not tipping is just a question of social politeness.