• geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlOPM
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    18 hours ago

    If Iran said they were providing “freedom from Atheism” everyone would realize how incredibly stupid this sounds

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        15 hours ago

        Have you ever seen “atheist” and “sceptic” community and their talking heads?

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        10 hours ago

        This, and it doesn’t have any symbols or practices associated with it in the first place, so what would one even ban? Atheism isn’t a religion, it’s the lack thereof.


        Edit: Context, because a mod banned the person above for the laughable reason of “Reddit Atheism”. IIRC, The comment was something like:

        Atheism is not the one oppressing and indoctrinating people

        How anyone could take offense to this is beyond me. Do we genuinely support religions in this community? And on a Marxist instance no less? It seems like religion really is the opiate of the masses…

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          8 hours ago

          Marxism does not mean blanket hostility towards religion in all situations

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            4 hours ago

            That is true and isn’t what I would support, but the comment above wasn’t blanket hostility, not in this context anyway. Pointing out the often prevalent cases of religion being used as a tool of oppression and that it’s all based on indoctrination is absolutely valid when discussing the motivation for France’s measures. You can of course disagree with it and with the measures discussed here, independently of each other even, but if this is already “blanket hostility” to some people, they should stop viewing religions through rose-colored glasses. I mean, do you genuinely believe that religions are NOT used for this purpose at all? I have a hard time believing that any actual Marxist would see religions uncritically, even with the understanding of them being the way they are as the result of material conditions, and even less so as Marxists-Leninists if one has actually read Lenin’s “Socialism and Religion”.

            And even if you were to consider it blanket hostility, why would this be worthy of a ban and comment removal instead of simply engaging with the comment in an intellectually honest way and possibly providing the commenter a different perspective?

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          9 hours ago

          It seems like religion really is the opiate of the masses…

          Marx did not consider illterates who conviced themselves they could read…

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      15 hours ago

      Umm so what atheist garmets would they be banning in this case exactly?

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          12 hours ago

          Nowhere is any kind of hair covering mandatory because of atheism, nor to protect for the weather outside which wouldn’t be because of atheism in any case.