“What if things could be different?” Or some variation thereof. Sounds like whoever you’re talking to is, unfortunately, neck-deep in the propaganda. They might not even have the concept of a different system that could actually work. A lot of people are conditioned to believe anarchy=chaos, I would try to talk about successful mutual aid projects in your city. “What if ‘x’ program could impact even more people? Why not?” I think my goal at first would be to change their association with some core concepts, so they don’t instinctively recoil.

Sorry I don’t have more than that, this is a tough one that I’ve never really figured out myself. Interested to see what others say.

Edit: you might also be starting off too big/dramatic? Like yeah I agree capitalism is fundamentally evil, but for someone who’s never even played with the concept before, it can feel too huge to even approach, hence “i have to work”. Maybe try attacking smaller pieces/more specific aspects of capitalism. “Damn, it’s fucked up that blackrock just gets to buy as many houses as they can when people are struggling to pay rent.”