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Whenever someone calls something “socialist”, ask them to explain socialism to you and watch their argument fold like a wet blanket. They usually have no idea. In fact, many would love a healthy dose of Northern European socialism in their lives, as long as you call it “Owningthelibism” or something.
This is why we can’t have nice things.
I had multiple times experiences like that with American redditors.
They would say that socialism is nazism because National Socialism.
So yeah, didn’t know really what to answer to such level of ignorance.
“Learn how German Komposita work, you illiterate dipshit!” is a pretty straightforward and effective reply.
I’ve always countered that with the following :
Yes, Nazi’s, the very trustworthy group that would not lie about calling themselves socialists for propoganda and popularity reasons (post ww1 German public had popular sentiment with socialist ideas). The same ones that went out of their way to then kill Jews, communists, socialists, and other individuals that believed in socialistic ideals.
I’m also sure that the democratic peoples republic of Korea has very fair and free democratic elections!
If they continue arguing about it after that then I know they’re a lost cause
Capitalism with social programs is better than without, but that’s not socialism. It’s just not neoliberalism.
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Ok so you posted a random image of a cartoon teenager. Is this supposed to convey an idea in any way?
What makes countries where the State has high power fail then?
Not socialism.
Concentration of power with those “social services”, making people pay higher taxes many times for unfair reasons. Socialism has all the power on the State with no or little room for individuals themselves to make their businesses and companies, companies that’ll thrive will be friends with the king and create a monopoly in that country. Putting everything in the hands of the State is a recipe of disaster.
Socialism has all the power on the State with no or little room for individuals themselves to make their businesses and companies, companies that’ll thrive will be friends with the king and create a monopoly in that country.
China has tons of small and big businesses and it’s still socialist.
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“Bu-bu-but they’re a bunch of [insert super racist remarks about Asian ppl]”
Chinese companies are basically extensions of the government.
Most corperations are, in any country.
When you say “no room to make business.” That’s where I think the fundamental disagreement is rooted. Socialism is inherently built on the idea that what you are building in a capitalist system is exploiting labour. The people you bring in should have ownership of the company too in a socialist system, not the state. What you’re describing is a communist dictatorship. State programs should be run by the state just as they are in most countries now. You certainly don’t want companies running your government.
Putting everything in the hands of the State is a recipe of disaster.
Tell me you don’t understand what the word socialism means without telling me you don’t understand what the word socialism means.
The fuck
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Bless the cold war brainwash with loads if patriotism on USA citizens. It seems to still be working.
There are “socialists” running around who don’t know what socialism is. Hint: it has nothing to do with government-subsidized services.
Yeah but they’re still linked. Like, yeah socialism has nothing to do with welfare programmes. However in the real world where a government is involved government welfare programmes are the most obvious tools that the government uses to enact socialism. Talking about one leads into talking about the other. Unless we’re talking anarchy.
Attica! Attica!
While that’s technically true. It’s not truly accurate. Considering that at the time a lot of these terms were coined. Healthcare was either nonexistent or a much different thing. Nationalizing basic needs makes a lot of sense in, and is often an agenda of socialist and communist systems.
Just because they don’t match or evolved past those archaic definitions doesn’t make you more right or them less ultimately. We might large that they should go further. But there’s no true Scotsman Naval gazing is only counterproductive.
nowadays it’s woke
“Woke socialist mob” when they’re extra scared
*“Woke rainbow pedo socialist mob”
„Seize the means of wokeness lmao.”
- Karl Marx
That’s the OG book cover from this meme I think.
The opposite is sleep.
i love all kinds of socialist shit:
socialized medicine
socialized housing
socialized transportation
you know what kinda’ socialism SUCKS though? Socialized risk, where corporations get to distribute their burdens but hoard all their profits.
THAT kind of socialism needs to fucking die.
Socialized risk would be fine if the profits were also.
Socialized anything is not socialism either. It’s just social policies.
A socialized economy would pretty much result in everything else being socialized.
But that engine is somewhat socialist. It evenly distributes fluids throughout, each component having the same amount of influence on whether or not the engine as a whole can function. One stops working and the others all stop in solidarity.
It’s not. The four cylinders make up 5% of the engine but get 95% of the fuel.
And what usually causes engine failure? The cylinders. And who do we bail out each time? Those same goddamn cylinders.
Equal distribution is not socialism either.
Everything I like is socialist, trains? Socialist. Gardening? Socialist. Cooking a huge meal where someone else does the dishes? That’s socialism.
I like that engine.
It’s true. Everything I don’t like is socialist. And referring to things that don’t work as socialist no matter the context is an excellent idea, I’ll be doing that from now on.
Why would you come into a thread and enthusiastically declare yourself a dickhead weirdo
Why wouldn’t you come into a thread and enthusiastically declare yourself a dickhead weirdo
Because I’m considering the audience. If a socialist is calling me a dickhead, then I’m probably right.
If a socialist calls you a dickhead, it means they’re still trying to spare your feels.
Again, why would you say something like that in this thread/community/instance?
I’m not requesting you to answer. I’m requesting you to reconsider your approach to this scenario
Just to piss people off and get them to waste their time basically
I feel like this is a teaching opportunity. I’m no teacher, and certainly no academic, but socialism is a political stance that socializes basic needs, such as healthcare, transportation or education (primary and secondary). “Socialization” means every single citizen pays for those through the tax system, every year or so, proportionally to their own income. This allows everyone, regardless of their status, to enjoy good health, regular trains and buses, and a complete education, all without paying extra. It also prevents these basic amenities from falling into the wrong hands, ie those of capitalists who would gladly hike up prices, taking avantage of the fact that they’re vital things. It is something to strive for. I hope I helped make this notion clearer. Cheers
yes. Also providing for the basic needs of the people lowers the cost of life, since a government in control of its country’s banks doesn’t usually have money problems (owes all the debt in its own currency to itself), and therefore doesn’t need to profit from services. This gives people more extra income to spend or invest on whatever, which helps economic growth. Ironically western governments are doing the exact opposite, which leads me to think we’ll just wither away from the world stage. I guess its good news in some way, not in first hand experience though ;-;
Ancaps when the
when the corporate conglomerate that owns their house demands they pay the propertytaxfee or else they go to private jail (it’s not a state)
“Socialism is when the government does stuff. The more stuff it does, the more socialist it is. And if it does a real lot of stuff, it’s communism”
Please do correct me
And if it does everything, it’s communist-er.
I think the user above would benefit from a first degree response
i googled it, i’m helpless. Whats a first degree response?
I guess it doesn’t translate as well as I thought it would. I mean a response in good faith. French calls those first-degree, as opposed to sarcasm which would be second-degree
probably i’ll have to study french, so thanks for the teaching :)
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Breathe air in your privately owned company? Straight to ban.
lol, an unironic ancap
What things don’t you like then?
I guess that book would be written by someone who calls everyone who they disagree with a “right-wing extremist”.
There is such a thing as a “non-extremist” right-winger?
No, they’re all violently discussing things, terribly defending your rights of saying your mind and defending more of those horrible things like stable families, no concentration of power and you having the control of your money instead of giving it all to the government in taxes. Meanwhile leftists are peacefully burning stuff, lovely degrading others’ properties and making those magical explicit parades in public. No, only lefties are good. Right bad.
Pipe down, bud. Us grownups have a class war to fight.
Will people ever learn to not fight among themselves?
Oh look a libertarian
Lol!
Found another fascist!
I already have the right to say my mind and it doesn’t help my living situation at all, meanwhile right-wingers thankfully utilise their right to call for my death, the concentration of power is all in businesses which right-wingers consistently protect, and wtf does it mean to defend stable families?
Undoing all the tax, benefits, and public services I’ve ever had wouldn’t get me out of poverty. Undoing the business and the non-worker class price gouging and manipulating of me and my family, and instead having a better incentive than profit, absolutely would.
Copium 🚬💨
Yep, that or a fascist.
