He pressed Pelosi on whether the United States has a red line for Israel and whether they “own” the Gaza operation as much as their ally.

“If you don’t like what Israel is doing, and the president has made it clear that some of what Israel is doing he doesn’t like, and you go on supplying them with hardware to do these things you own this operation every bit as much as they do, don’t you?” Sebastian asked the former House Speaker.

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      Ahh yes, because the trolls are the ones saying it is possible to defend Israel without antisemitism.

      Do you hear how stupid you sound when you suggest nonsense like that?

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        What I see, is a bigoted fucking genocide enabler.

        Basically, since the end of world war two, most genocides are done the same fucking way. You concentrate the population you consider undesirable into an area whose borders you can control, then you cut off food.

        Depending on the paranoia of population, they will have two to three months of food stores, unless you strip it from them first.

        Then it takes about a month for the first deaths from starvation to kick in, with children first.

        Then the numbers of people dying go up fucking fast.

        This is how genocides are done. Mainly because it is so effective and most people don’t recognize that the first steps are genocidal. And those first months are critical. You HAVE to keep the food out.

        During that time, when everyone with even the first bit of knowledge of history were screaming that Israel was committing genocide, disgusting genocide enablers like you would pop up trying to muddy the waters accusing people trying to warn the world that genocide was happening of antisemitism.

        You know what the odds are of something happening when it already happened are? 100%

        I’m not guessing at your motivations (I know you like to accuse anyone implying motivations of being antisemitic.)

        I’m stating what your actions were. What the consequences are.

        You enabled genocide.

        The first children died last week. Even if food were to flood Gaza now, the children will be permanently handicapped. You don’t starve this much without there being permenent damage.

        You helped buy Israel the month it needed once the food stores ran out. Maybe just a little, but still a little.

        If ‘Never Again’ meant anything to you more than ‘Never Again to Jewish people’, then you have individually helped it fail.

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          Are you being paid to harass people and make these accusations against them, or are you truly as mentally unhinged as you are currently choosing to make yourself look?

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            This is what rage at the people that helped enable genocide looks like.

            It’s what holding the people that helped enable it accountable looks like.

            As the numbers go up exponentially, as they will now that the deaths from starvation kick in, I will remind you that you called the people trying to raise the alarm antisemitic for doing so in the critical months that something could have been done.

            You helped enable this. I will continue to remind you of the dead.

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              So instead of doing anything to help the Palestinian people, you have decided to stalk and harass random people you previously failed to convince and blame them for everything?

              You aren’t the good guy you keep pretending to be.

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                You make a lot of assumptions about what I do or don’t do.

                You can’t convince someone that has decided to believe the absurd enough to justify genocide of anything.

                Tell me, have you begun to admit that it is yet? Or does the nationalism keep that from happening?

                What do you think genocide looks like?

                You aren’t the good guy you think you are, unless part of your world view is that genocide enablers can be good guys.

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                  When a random person starts messaging you accusing you of being an Israeli nationalist who is personally responsible for genocide, it is entirely natural to assume that person might be mentally unhinged.

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                    Random?

                    No, not random. A month ago, when the food ran out you were accusing everyone pointing out a genocide was happening of antisemitism.

                    You know, back when a last ditch effort could have done something.

                    You accused me of antisemitism, and denied that the ICJ found that Israel was plausibly committing genocide, back when something still could have been done.

                    Now, the children have started dying.

                    I’m curious when you well start to admit that you defended genocide?

                    Will it be after the adults start dying?

                    How many will be dead before you stop accusing the people pointing out a genocide happening of antisemitism?