“We will continue to actively engage in the hard work of direct diplomacy on the ground until we reach a Final Solution.”

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    9 months ago

    I say no, it is not the time to negotiate. It is time to fall in line and deal with the big fish first

    You would have us negotiate only after we’ve given away the biggest bargaining chip we have? I can tell you exactly how that’s gonna go. Moderates will give us the finger and call it a day.

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      9 months ago

      There will be more elections down the road with less precarious leaders and less crazy consequences should they lose. Bargaining chips occur during primaries; Democrats have none for good reason this cycle — and even the progressives are in consensus.

      Unless you want to run for office — then by all means.

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        Bargaining chips occur during primaries;

        Oh? Is that why we got Biden? Because of all those bargaining chips we have?

        Anyway you didn’t even try to deny that moderates will just give us the finger and walk away. You know it’s true.

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          9 months ago

          You act as though progressives are the silent majority. We are deeply the minority in this country. We’re the smartest voters who, yes, Democratic strategists know will fall in line because we are aware of the greater poison. We don’t really have a bargaining chip in the first place.

          What’s more is have you analyzed what would happen if Biden pivots heavily to us but loses the more conservative moderates who are the majority or more importantly, swing voters in swing states…?

          Until we slowly overtake the Democratic party and the previous generation dies off, change is going to be slow and steady. Surely you’d agree it’s easier to destroy than to maintain or make progress. Such is the nature of entropy. So when progress isn’t on the table, I’ll take stability over someone smashing the puzzle.

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            You act as though progressives are the silent majority. We are deeply the minority in this country

            Then we cannot possibly be primarily responsible when a Democrat candidate loses in the general election can we?

            What’s more is have you analyzed what would happen if Biden pivots heavily to us but loses the more conservative moderates who are the majority or more importantly, swing voters in swing states…?

            Are you acknowledging moderates would rather lose to fascists than compromise with leftists and progressives?