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The most insane part of it, to me, as a Brazilian, is that the first Bolsonaro and his lackeys are all currently in prison for a plethora of crimes, and now his incompetent and inexperienced son is stepping up to continue the dynasty as if lt were a fucking kingdom. And a lot of right-wing idiots are gobbling it up. I can only imagine the outrage that it would cause if Lula’s son had been the chosen candidate for president back in 2011 after Lula’s second mandate ended and they went with Dilma as a successor.
If they didn’t have double standards they wouldn’t have any standards
The far right is already back in Brazil. The mostly conservative parliament dismantled environmental rules and Lula was not able to stop it.
Why do people keep voting for these ass-hats? They are never “for the people” and always try to grab more power that belongs to them.
Cause
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Lula’s term was a lukewarm nothing burguer
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which shot itself on the foot year one by limiting how much the govmt can invest
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Lula is campaigning as if it was 2022
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both sides are campaigning on “least bad”
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Out of 26 yrs in this millenium, Brasil had a Workers Party govnmt in 18. People want something different
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Lula / PT work really hard to de-politise politics, and to be the only viable option on the left (by punching left)
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Lula’s broad front is filled with ppl (senators, congressppl, etc) that are indistinguishable from Bolsonaro’s camp
don’t forget he just killed the huge working hours reduction bill people were pushing for. it would’ve pretty much guaranteed his reelection.
don’t forget he just killed the huge working hours reduction bill people were pushing for
I’m sorry? When did that happen?
last i heard of it a week ago, he made a deal with the alcolumbre coalition (the current leader of the senate) to remove the emergency status from the bill, postponing the vote to their criteria. alcolumbre is a fascist, so it’s not gonna be voted on before the elections, at the very least.
i forgot what lula got in exchange for it, i don’t think it was anything remotely consequential.
to remove the emergency status from the bill, postponing the vote to their criteria
Ah, I see, catching up a bit now.
i forgot what lula got in exchange for it, i don’t think it was anything remotely consequential.
Basically not blowing up the budget to smithereens. Besides emptying the senate or trying to muck up the bill, they can pass costly legislation, without a clear source.
yeah and oh would you look at that.
lula was the one to needlessly pass the super restrictive budget in the first place lmao kill me!
And all the stuff happening wrt the supreme court. We could go on and on
tbf the far right were the ones to somehow associate the supreme court with “the left”
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Because conservatism is cancer. As long as we allow cancer to continue living, it will do what cancer does.
Well, he hasn’t won yet. But I confess that I’m afraid that this might come to pass. I’d compare the situation to be similar to the USA two years ago, the difference being that Lula is not yet as senile as Biden was, but almost everything else is eerie similar
And our conservatives worship Trump, so we will definitely have a similar situation here soon.
if it’s anything like bolsonaro before, i think we can watch how things unfold in the us and have a pretty good idea of how it’s gonna go for us. bgl vai ser louco.
i still remember Stephen Fry’s interview with Bolsonaro 1.0 when he was in Congress. Fry is walking down the street after the interview and opines, “I think that is the most evil man I have ever met”
i wonder what he thought when Bolsonaro was later elected Pres.
every other latin american country was couped by the new “donroe doctrine”.
so will brazil.
wow this is sucky news
Just put them in the fucking Lulag already
Some people wanted to coup, and that’s the scary/sad part.
Voting never works, it never did.
Stalin. Gulag. Red terror
Voting by itself won’t stop fascists. But Brazil did MORE than just vote. They voted and also arrested the top fascists. We (in the states) could learn a lesson from Brazilians on that.
Unfortunately, allowing any fascists to live is like allowing any cancer to live. Fascists must be completely deleted or they will always come back to do fascism. Always.
Incorrect. Voting has worked in several cases in the 20th century alone. The problem is, that voting has to be followed by imprisonment of the fascists and all of their supporters, and it seems like nobody is willing to do that.
(In fairness to Brazil, they at least got this half right)
because we had strong communist resistances in 20th century, we dont have that luxury anymore.
Nah. The Carnation Revolution in Portugal had nothing to do with communism. Neither did the February Revolution in the Philippines. And Die Wende of East Germany happened after the most prominent communist state in history had just fallen.
To be clear, I’m not saying that voting by itself is ever enough; in the examples above, civil disobedience and protest accompanied participation in elections. But to say that we have to jump straight to a Red Terror or install a Mao to have any hope at all is not borne out by history.
Die Wende
imagine calling this shit revolution, lol.
The other stuff you mentioned are insignificant. No one have heard of them. Communism was the reason life actually felt good till 90s. No matter how much you cope that will remain truth.
I didn’t call it that. It was a peaceful transfer of power driven by civil disobedience, protest, and voting, and a dictator was deposed. No one was killed, and the dictator in question was brought up on charges of human rights abuses (though he died before the proceedings could be completed).
Does your definition of a revolution require a French Revolution-style Reign of Terror? Because that is bleak.
The other stuff you mentioned are insignificant. No one have heard of them.
Well, let me educate you then!
The 1974 Carnation Revolution took down the fascist Marcello Caetano, the second dictator of Portugal. It was a fascist authoritarian state which had existed for 41 years, and its end was almost entirely bloodless; six people lay dead afterward, four killed by the fascist government, and the other two killed accidentally by the “revolutionaries.” The dictator and most of his enablers were exiled. It was the first in a wave of democratic “revolutions” that would see more than twenty fascist regimes defeated in Eastern Europe, Latin America, the Pacific Rim in Asia, and Sub-Saharan Africa before the end of the 2000s.
And the February Revolution in 1986 was the end of Ferdinand Marcos’ brutal 20-year reign as dictator of the Philippines. He had been responsible for multiple massacres and human rights abuses during his time in power. But two million Filipinos protested between February 22-25 of 1986, a substantial percentage of the entire country’s population. The government killed between 13-18 members of the opposition; the opposition killed 2. In the end, the protests forced the government to respect the results of the election that they had tried to rig, and Marcos fled to Hawaii.
These were two nonviolent shifts in rule, in two prominent countries on the world stage, affecting the lives of hundreds of millions of people (many of whom are still alive today!). And the fact that you’d call this “insignificant” just because huge swaths of people weren’t guillotined is not only insanely ignorant, but also super bleak and potentially kinda racist.
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Communism was the reason life actually felt good till 90s. No matter how much you cope that will remain truth.
Well, given you’ve provided no evidence for this claim at all and it makes absolutely no sense on the face of it, what choice do I have but to agree?
Well, given you’ve provided no evidence for this claim
it just requires common sense. Really
Voting never works, it never did.
Stalin. Gulag. Red terror
