• ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip
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    17 days ago

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    rapists rather than focusing on how we reduce rape,

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    Okay, lets focus on reducing rape then. Gives an example.

    Also you

    The majority of rapists are men though.

    Okay. Can we get back to taking about reducing rape? I gave a proposal, an okay analysis of one facet of it, do you have an opinion on it? Your own thoughts? If you do not want to share them, then that is also okay, but I do believe sincerely that calling “we should focus on it” and then not focusing on it, is not going to be helpful.

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      The conversation is framed on shaming and bullying all men, because some men are rapist. Why are you surprised that many react negatively to it?

      No, let’s be clear here. You are complaining that the majority of rapists are men and that people are accurately pointing that out.

      There’s two direct approaches that are being actively discussed here - punish rapists appropriately and teach our children about consent and respecting boundaries.

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        No, let’s be clear here. You are complaining that the majority of rapists are men and that people are accurately pointing that out.

        I dont think so? At least that was not my intention.

        I do agree that #notallmen is reactionary.

        I also believe that the media pressure is calling all the men rapists.

        I was trying to convey that having any kind of movement (because to decrease the rape rate, we will need to have a grassroot movement to push the issue) that alienates part of society, will not be successful. And campaigning on hurting the feelings of men is a bad, pointless idea. Why do it. What for? That’s not solving the problem.

        I will reply to the second part separately, it will be easier that way

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          And campaigning on hurting the feelings of men is a bad, pointless idea.

          No one is campaigning on hurting the feelings of men. Rapists can use some hurt feelings and some fucking jail time though.

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        There’s two direct approaches that are being actively discussed here - punish rapists appropriately.

        Punishment is reactive. No law prevents crime. Even capital punishment did not lower the crime rate to 0.

        USA has 2.5 times higher rape rate than Germany (and Germany has no means no laws, that meant to help reporting rapes).

        It could be that - if that is your country - you need stricter judicial punishments for rape! But do note that is not the ultimate solution. It can be one of first steps necessary in your country, but won’t be the last.

        our children about consent and respecting boundaries.

        Again (comparing Germany and USA rates) this seems to be step in correct direction, but at best it will get you somewhere in the ballpark of Germany rate (progress, but not ideal).

        I do believe my proposal (mandatory online Id) would be a next step in the solution - but then I am stomped.

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          It could be that - if that is your country - you need stricter judicial punishments for rape!

          Yes that is directly being called for here in the US about this issue.

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          Even capital punishment did not lower the crime rate to 0.

          Harsher sentencing doesn’t necessarily help beyond a certain minimum level required to make people consider it a meaningful punishment. The more important thing is consistent and vigorous application of the law. If people aren’t even being investigated, let alone charged or convicted, they’re going to feel emboldened to continue offending.