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    They don’t think the president has immunity.
    They think one specific former president has immunity.

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    Schrodinger’s Immunity. It’s unknown whether or not it exists until it’s observed to be useful to the right people.

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    It is like arguing with a toddler - they KNOW, they are just trying to see if they can get away with it.

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    This argument is extremely disingenuous. The Republicans claim that a president has immunity unless investigated and impeached by Congress. And this is exactly what they are fruitlessly flailing around, trying to do. So this is not the gotcha the meme claims it is.

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      “A president of the United States must have full immunity, without which it would be impossible for him [or] her to properly function. Any mistake, even if well intended, would be met by almost certain indictment by the opposing party at term end.

      “Even events that ‘cross the line’ must fall under total immunity, or it will be years of trauma trying to determine good from bad.”

      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/18/trump-claims-total-complete-immunity-president-truth-social

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        Please always add the person who is quoted. These are Trump’s words, while we are discussing what many Republicans are publicly claiming. Of course Trump wants to go way further.

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          4 years ago your distinction may be justified, but today trump does speak for the republican party. A significant part of them does support him and agrees with his views.

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          He is the person they all chose to represent themselves, so, yes, that is what the large majority of Repubs agree with.

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          There is no way in hell those are Trump’s words. He couldn’t write something that coherent, straightforward and understandable if his life depended on it. At least not anymore, as perhaps he was once more coherent.

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            Probably Steven Miller. Most of the coherent awful shit seems to come from that Nazi fucks brain nowadays. Pretty sure he’s one of McConnell’s horcruxes.

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        From criminal prosecution. Noone is arguing the POTUS can’t be impeached. We shit on republicans for being ignorant and uninformed, but you’re either being ignorant and uninformed or intentionally pedantic.

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            You aren’t actually addressing my point. I agree with you that Republicans are pieces of shit and Trump is basically arguing that the POTUS could murder anyone they want while in office and the worst thing that can happen to them is that they be removed from office. Which is absolutely scary and another thing on the huge pile of reasons why no one should vote for him. But this doesn’t change the fact that he’s clearly talking about criminal prosecution after leaving office and not about impeachment. Because that’s the context.

            Don’t worry, I don’t expect you to admit you are wrong. I’ve been in enough of these types of conversations to understand that you’re just as lost in your partisanship as Trump supporters and that you are immune to the facts. This place likes to pretend that’s different from Reddit, which likes to pretend that it’s different from Trump supporters, but the reality is that y’all share a shit ton in common. And I’m sure I do as well, but this is not one of those times. It’s your time for that.

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      But with immunity, the president could simply assassinate anyone in congress who would vote to impeach

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        That’s fine, they know a Dem wouldn’t do that. When a Repub eventually does execute members of Congress, they assume they’ll be spared.

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        He had two impeachment trials, and two acquittals, he was impeached twice and essentially found not guilty. Had he been found guilty in an impeachment trial that presumably would be the penalty to face compared to criminal charges. I am not arguing that it is a correct position, only that its the stated position.

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      It scares me for our future that you have so many downvotes for speaking openly and truthfully, while so many incorrect and nonsense takes are nothing but dozens of upvotes (ie Trump is barred from running because its his third term). That this platform seems to skew substantially more educated than most and seems to react this negatively to truth and positively to misinformation actually has me hoping I’m interacting with bots as the alternatives are scarier.

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    They act so stupidly one could think they’re seriously mentally impaired. Like a 5 year old literally on steroids.

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      That’s what it looks like from your perspective because you value honesty and integrity. They don’t. They value white supremacism and hierarchy. Honestly and integrity are cast aside the nanosecond they conflict with hierarchy.

      Consider all of their actions from a perspective assuming white supremacist hierarchies were more important than integrity. It all magically becomes consistent.

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    The Republicans can investigate all they want. The President still has immunity, and if Trump’s lawyers are correct, have them killed by Seal Team Six when they accuse the President.

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    Well, most still don’t believe he’s president, so it’s logical in their illogical worldview.

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    Unfortunately career politicians like Biden respect and honor the traditions and norms. Even if Trump suddenly managed to give the sitting president 100% power to do anything that is physically possible, I don’t think he’d order a nuclear strike on Mar-A-Lago.

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      Well yeah, nuclear fallout would be a consideration. Probably better to just use one of those hellfire missiles that have knives on it.

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        Such a totally unnecessary, totally awesome thing that really exists because (eagle noise)

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          It kinda makes sense if you just want to take out one guy. A regular missile is going to blow up the room and maybe collapse the building, killing a whole bunch of people. A missile that has it’s explosives removed won’t do that, but it could miss the target. But if you put some knives on it, it’ll expand the area of death just enough that there’s a high probability of killing the target (even with a near miss), but with no explosives it won’t take out the building.

          Just a bizarre aspect of war. If you want to reduce civilian casualties you gotta put fucking knives on your missiles.

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    The Democrats are playing “slappers only” vs. fully armed Republicans

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    GOP: “Illegal Immigrants are taking all our jobs.”
    also
    GOP: “Illegal Immigrants are bleeding our welfare system dry.”