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  • Radiant_sir_radiant@beehaw.org
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    2 months ago

    Congrats on your new setup! A UPS is never a bad idea.

    As for the auto power-on, check the BIOS settings. Most have an option that says somehing along the lines of “computer power state after plugging it in” and you can usually set it to on, off or whatever it was before power loss.

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      2 months ago

      Good idea. I did check the BIOS and that setting was already enabled. So I unplugged the UPS from the wall to simulate and test. Unfortunately, the server didn’t boot automatically after I plugged the UPS back into the wall. And I remembered that in the past, when the power went out due to storms or something, the server did automatically boot on resumption of power.

      I think I know what’s going on.

      With the server and a couple small networking devices on the UPS, I get about 16-17min of battery power. After a few minutes on battery power only, the UPS sends the commands to ESXI to start shutting down VMs and then eventually shuts down the server completely. That takes about 10min. That means there’s still battery power remaining, and now with the server off, the largest load on the UPS, the remaining battery time increases to like 40min since the total load on the UPS is now much smaller. However, there’s still technically power being served to the server; there’s even a small light on the back of the server that stayed on the whole time.

      Plugging the UPS back in the wall didn’t do anything, which I kinda expected. It’s not going to “send” more power to the server to “wake it up.” I think the only way the server would turn back on automatically in this situation is if the power outage was long enough to completely drain the UPS and turn the UPS off completely. So at least 40min. Then there would be absolutely no power being given to the server. Once wall power is back, the UPS itself turns back on, which sends a little bit of power to the server, which the server BIOS recognizes as “Hey, I was actually without any power at all, but I have power now! Boot!” I’ll test that out next weekend.

      So for outages less than 40min, the best bet would be doing a remote desktop into a computer on my network, accessing the web GUI for IDRAC, the server’s out-of-band-management software, and then powering on the server from there. I tried this out and it worked fine.

      Not automatic in all cases, but as long as I have a manual means to restart the server remotely, that’ll do.

      Sorry for the long post; I wrote this down mostly for myself to work it all out!

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        2 months ago

        Hmm, the way you describe it makes sense.
        You’ll probably want to send the UPS a command to kill the power after shutdown is complete. I’m not sure what software you use on the server (if any) to manage the UPS, and not too familiar with them anyway, but a common concept would be: UPS reports power failure with <$minimum runtime remaining, server shuts down gracefully and sends a “kill power” command to the UPS at the end of its shutdown sequence, UPS kills power, power eventually returns, UPS turns back on, server gets power again and reboots.

        I know APC PowerChute and whatever software comes with HPE UPSes can do that.
        It also means your UPS has some runtime left in case of emergency or if the power returns and quickly fails again.

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          1 month ago

          Sorry to “necro” this thread, but I just got around to enabling and testing out your UPS kill command suggestion. Everything shutdown as planned, including the UPS itself. Once I restored wall power to the UPS, power started flowing to the server automatically, the BIOS detected it, and the server booted-up on its own! Success! ESXi is back up and VMs are still in the process of auto-starting. This is exactly how I wanted it all to work.

          Thanks again for the suggestion!

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          2 months ago

          Ah, I have the seen that option to kill the UPS after shutdown, but I left it disabled because I didn’t understand what it did. And the documentation from Cyberpower is pretty lacking. But I’ll try that enabling that option, testing, then seeing what happens.

          I appreciate the tips you’re giving me here!