• Wanderer@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    4
    arrow-down
    45
    ·
    6 months ago

    Cool. There are a lot of people in the UK that have no interest in doing anything for the UK. Will be good to make people more British.

    There some long running families that contribute to defence, police or firefighting. Then there are others that have never contributed and just take.

      • Wanderer@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        10
        ·
        6 months ago

        The Royal family do a lot more for the country, more than a lot of people.

        But yea they get away with not doing a lot.

    • HeartyBeast@kbin.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      13
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      6 months ago

      I contribute plenty. I volunteer for several charities including AgeUK and a local food bank and I give blood.

      Want to make it mandatory? piss off.

      • Wanderer@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        14
        ·
        6 months ago

        Good for you.

        A lot of people aren’t like you and I think the government should be doing more to get more out of the people. Things like happiness and wellbeing and safety is correlated with community and helping others.

        Lots of this country has really gone to shit and could do with going to back to some of the ways in the past life was different.

        • HeartyBeast@kbin.social
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          6 months ago

          Would you be up for being compelled to give up a day a month to do good works? Not volunteering, mind, compelled.

            • HeartyBeast@kbin.social
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              6 months ago

              So, if I gave you some volunteering contacts as links, would you commit to starting next month for me? Or would it take a threat of fines/court action?

              • Wanderer@lemm.ee
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                6 months ago

                For you. No.

                If there was government organised work that everyone was partaking in I would as mentioned.

    • Jackthelad@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      13
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      6 months ago

      The best argument against national service?

      The armed forces, whom it would affect, absolutely hate it.

      • Wanderer@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        6
        ·
        6 months ago

        Its about the country though not just the armed forced. Also isn’t not just armed forces, you can read it in the article.

        • Jackthelad@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          6 months ago

          Swap “armed forces” with “fire service”, “NHS” or “the police”, and the point is exactly the same.

    • FozzyOsbourne@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      9
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      6 months ago

      Everyone contributes to society by paying tax. Ordering people to do a specific job is not cool.

      • Wanderer@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        13
        ·
        6 months ago

        Not everyone contributes tax and not everyone contributes more than they get out. In fact most don’t. There is more to society than just tax and people don’t contribute to the UK.

        Also it isn’t about making people do a specific job. It’s in the article.

        • FozzyOsbourne@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          6 months ago

          Have you ever bought luxury goods such as most food or clothes? Well then, you paid VAT. I’d love to hear what stats you’re pulling out of your arse that say otherwise!

          • Wanderer@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            6
            ·
            6 months ago

            Most people take more from the government than they pay in.

            Look it up.

            • FozzyOsbourne@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              6 months ago

              No mate, you look up the outlandish claim and share it with the rest of us so we don’t think you’re chatting shit

              • Wanderer@lemm.ee
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                6 months ago

                This has the be the stupidest, most ignorant, laziest, most confidently incorrect, economically illiterate website in the world.

                How is the office of national statistics okay as a source for such an outlandish claim, that I’m chatting shit about?

                https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/personalandhouseholdfinances/incomeandwealth/bulletins/theeffectsoftaxesandbenefitsonhouseholdincome/financialyearending2022

                “The proportion of people living in households receiving more in benefits than they paid in taxes decreased from 55.0% to 53.8% in FYE 2022”

                Fuck me it’s tiring coming on here and trying to talk to people. Why are people so confident and things they know fuck all about? People need to learn how stupid they are about the economy, it’s mind blowing that people don’t even know!

                • FozzyOsbourne@lemm.ee
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  6 months ago

                  OK, so you are technically correct. Hey, important referendums have been decided on smaller margins than 53.8%!

                  So do you just hate the benefit-scrounging bogeymen, or do you think that helping people isn’t the government’s job?

                  • Wanderer@lemm.ee
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    ·
                    edit-2
                    6 months ago

                    I’m not technically correct, I’m just simply correct. I said what I said and was right about it, even though you couldn’t see that.

                    No, the governments main job is to look after the people. How they do that is obviously difficult.

    • Zip2@feddit.uk
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      6 months ago

      I’d rather my kids were taught to benefit the whole of humanity rather than be trained as a tool for one political parties ideologies.

      • Wanderer@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        edit-2
        6 months ago

        Good job they have the option then as mentioned in the article that we are talking about. It’s almost like you agree with me.

    • Baggins@beehaw.org
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      6 months ago

      Unfortunately most people only see the military side of it (as per most of the comments on here), but it’s only one of the options. Getting people involved isn’t necessarily a bad thing. I wouldn’t mind spending a weekend a month doing cyber defence or learning about logistics, but at 67 am probably a bit old for that. Although I have just completed a 3 month cyber security course ;-)