For today, in 2024, is the ongoing Venezuelan collapse.
Communism is not your savior to the argument, not with respect to the legion of Venezuelan migrants traveling to the USA. We had nothing to do with Venezuela’s current set of issues., The random ass set of autocratic rule + socialist ideals of modern Venezuela have more to do with the troubles in that country than shit we did 50 years ago.
Get your head out of the USA’s asshole. The world is bigger than just us. There’s like, local politics and local issues at play here that absolutely have bigger effects on the current migration than any shit the CIA did decades ago.
It’s not like it’s all ancient history. Sanctions are ongoing, there was the attempted coup with Operation Gideon, plus the weird attempt with Guaido, propaganda campaigns, etc. and how many things we don’t know about. The US is still meddling. They are the largest empire in the world, the sole superpower. Of course they can do a lot of things and have a lot of affect. Of course Venezuela has a lot of itself to blame for its problems, like not diversifying from oil more, but you’re going too far the other direction and acting as if the US has no effect on its own sphere of influence.
Venezuela is literally nationalizing US investments, effectively stealing from the USA. Sanctions that punish them for taking our resources is fair. Yeah, Venezuela’s Maduro regime wants to piss off the local Superpower. Lets see how that plays out. We don’t have to trade with them. Sanctions aren’t meddling, its just “we’re gonna stop trading with you”. If you don’t like that, then don’t piss us off. If you want to have US trade again, then try to make amends. But Hugo Chavez and Maduro have been actively trying to piss off the USA for the last 3 decades, because they’re fucking brilliant at foreign policy, amirite?
Operation Gideon
Silvercorp isn’t the CIA. If it were the CIA, you’d know it. USA has god damn supercarriers by the way, we wouldn’t need to use paramilitary action to fuck over Venezuela if we really wanted to.
Do you see Ukraine? Afghanistan? Iraq? Syria? Libya? That’s what USA-based meddling is. You’d know when we meddle, I promise. All the meddling that Hispanics complain about are largely conspiracy theories. And you know what? I don’t really blame them per se, their world is collapsing and they need someone to lash out against. And USA is the biggest target for that.
Whatever. Keep the assholes out, but welcome the migrants who are happy enough to call USA their home.
You’re gonna have to explain to me why Argentina needs this conspiracy-based “secret meddling” but isn’t important enough for the “real meddling” that we do.
Maduro has little to do with previous meddling from the United States. He’s directly from Chávez who was the one who attempted a Coup on Carlos Andrés Pérez, likely what we could consider the last US friendly leader.
Chávez was the Venezuelan answer to US meddling and when he came to power. At some point we have to accept that the people and their elected government are at the wheel. Venezuela made a call to put way too many of their chips into the oil markets, no one forced them to bank so heavily on oil, they made that call themselves.
With next to nothing as a follow up, they’re suffering from economic missteps. Additionally, any international help that’s been extended, Venezuela has turned it down. Maybe for the best as they’re worried that the international help is more foreign meddling. But again, that’s Venezuela to make that choice.
What the US did is understandable to be angry about, but at some point it is less about meddling that the US did and poor economic choices and corrupt government rule that has brought about where they are today. I know a lot of people want to seriously blame the US and there’s some rationale behind that. But where the Venezuelan economy sits today, that’s squarely on the elected officials of Venezuela.
Now does that mean that the current situation there should make us turn everyone away? Absolutely not. At least in my opinion. I think that’s where me and @dragontamer@lemmy.world will disagree. What’s happening is horrible and we should not lose our humanity towards others just because it is slightly inconvenient. But that’s on Congress in the United States to address as they’re the ones that can approve new asylum programs.
Many countries have offered to help including the US. Venezuela doesn’t want it. Again, maybe the paranoia we instilled is what causes that denial, maybe the US just makes a good effigy. But we have to accept the answer Venezuela gives about other people trying to help, that’s how we demonstrate that our determination to actually stop meddling with countries south of the border. Because given the current situation there, it wouldn’t be incredibly difficult for the US to setup partisans and begin an effort to overthrow the government, if they so wanted to.
As horrible the situation is, as much as we shouldn’t close our border, this mess is very much Venezuela’s making.
Or maybe, to understand Venezuela, you should look up the history of Venezuela.
That’s all I’m trying to say. Venezuela is the #1 determining factor of what happens in Venezuela. This is absolutely outside of the USA’s control, no matter how much random nationalists from South America complain.
If we really wanted to mess with a country with collapsing infrastructure, large-scale emigration, and a massive oil reserve like Venezuela… we probably could do so and also do so at a good profit. But honestly? We don’t. Our attention and resources are diverted elsewhere (like… at the massive migration wave hitting our border). I’d probably support more interventions because its the only way the migrant waves will stop.
Fortunately, Mexico is on our side on this issue. USA + Mexico can work together to build a more controlled border at Mexico’s southern border to better control migrants / filter them out. I’m not against accepting more migrants btw, but the shear number of them arriving is far beyond the resources we’ve allocated to the border and Congress isn’t allowing us to allocate more judges. Mexico is also getting pissed at these migrant waves coming through their country.
We caused a majority of the problems to prevent communism so yeah we’re a source of the problems
For today, in 2024, is the ongoing Venezuelan collapse.
Communism is not your savior to the argument, not with respect to the legion of Venezuelan migrants traveling to the USA. We had nothing to do with Venezuela’s current set of issues., The random ass set of autocratic rule + socialist ideals of modern Venezuela have more to do with the troubles in that country than shit we did 50 years ago.
Yes I’m sure that has nothing to do with previous destabilizing efforts done by the USA. Everything started in 2024
USA had nothing to do with Nicolás Maduro disasterous takeover of their electricity system, leading to widespread brownouts of 2019. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Venezuelan_blackouts
Get your head out of the USA’s asshole. The world is bigger than just us. There’s like, local politics and local issues at play here that absolutely have bigger effects on the current migration than any shit the CIA did decades ago.
It’s not like it’s all ancient history. Sanctions are ongoing, there was the attempted coup with Operation Gideon, plus the weird attempt with Guaido, propaganda campaigns, etc. and how many things we don’t know about. The US is still meddling. They are the largest empire in the world, the sole superpower. Of course they can do a lot of things and have a lot of affect. Of course Venezuela has a lot of itself to blame for its problems, like not diversifying from oil more, but you’re going too far the other direction and acting as if the US has no effect on its own sphere of influence.
Venezuela is literally nationalizing US investments, effectively stealing from the USA. Sanctions that punish them for taking our resources is fair. Yeah, Venezuela’s Maduro regime wants to piss off the local Superpower. Lets see how that plays out. We don’t have to trade with them. Sanctions aren’t meddling, its just “we’re gonna stop trading with you”. If you don’t like that, then don’t piss us off. If you want to have US trade again, then try to make amends. But Hugo Chavez and Maduro have been actively trying to piss off the USA for the last 3 decades, because they’re fucking brilliant at foreign policy, amirite?
Silvercorp isn’t the CIA. If it were the CIA, you’d know it. USA has god damn supercarriers by the way, we wouldn’t need to use paramilitary action to fuck over Venezuela if we really wanted to.
Do you see Ukraine? Afghanistan? Iraq? Syria? Libya? That’s what USA-based meddling is. You’d know when we meddle, I promise. All the meddling that Hispanics complain about are largely conspiracy theories. And you know what? I don’t really blame them per se, their world is collapsing and they need someone to lash out against. And USA is the biggest target for that.
Whatever. Keep the assholes out, but welcome the migrants who are happy enough to call USA their home.
You’re gonna have to explain to me why Argentina needs this conspiracy-based “secret meddling” but isn’t important enough for the “real meddling” that we do.
Maduro has little to do with previous meddling from the United States. He’s directly from Chávez who was the one who attempted a Coup on Carlos Andrés Pérez, likely what we could consider the last US friendly leader.
Chávez was the Venezuelan answer to US meddling and when he came to power. At some point we have to accept that the people and their elected government are at the wheel. Venezuela made a call to put way too many of their chips into the oil markets, no one forced them to bank so heavily on oil, they made that call themselves.
With next to nothing as a follow up, they’re suffering from economic missteps. Additionally, any international help that’s been extended, Venezuela has turned it down. Maybe for the best as they’re worried that the international help is more foreign meddling. But again, that’s Venezuela to make that choice.
What the US did is understandable to be angry about, but at some point it is less about meddling that the US did and poor economic choices and corrupt government rule that has brought about where they are today. I know a lot of people want to seriously blame the US and there’s some rationale behind that. But where the Venezuelan economy sits today, that’s squarely on the elected officials of Venezuela.
Now does that mean that the current situation there should make us turn everyone away? Absolutely not. At least in my opinion. I think that’s where me and @dragontamer@lemmy.world will disagree. What’s happening is horrible and we should not lose our humanity towards others just because it is slightly inconvenient. But that’s on Congress in the United States to address as they’re the ones that can approve new asylum programs.
Many countries have offered to help including the US. Venezuela doesn’t want it. Again, maybe the paranoia we instilled is what causes that denial, maybe the US just makes a good effigy. But we have to accept the answer Venezuela gives about other people trying to help, that’s how we demonstrate that our determination to actually stop meddling with countries south of the border. Because given the current situation there, it wouldn’t be incredibly difficult for the US to setup partisans and begin an effort to overthrow the government, if they so wanted to.
As horrible the situation is, as much as we shouldn’t close our border, this mess is very much Venezuela’s making.
You should look up the history of USAID. It would probably make any country nervous when they get involved.
Or maybe, to understand Venezuela, you should look up the history of Venezuela.
That’s all I’m trying to say. Venezuela is the #1 determining factor of what happens in Venezuela. This is absolutely outside of the USA’s control, no matter how much random nationalists from South America complain.
If we really wanted to mess with a country with collapsing infrastructure, large-scale emigration, and a massive oil reserve like Venezuela… we probably could do so and also do so at a good profit. But honestly? We don’t. Our attention and resources are diverted elsewhere (like… at the massive migration wave hitting our border). I’d probably support more interventions because its the only way the migrant waves will stop.
Fortunately, Mexico is on our side on this issue. USA + Mexico can work together to build a more controlled border at Mexico’s southern border to better control migrants / filter them out. I’m not against accepting more migrants btw, but the shear number of them arriving is far beyond the resources we’ve allocated to the border and Congress isn’t allowing us to allocate more judges. Mexico is also getting pissed at these migrant waves coming through their country.