We spent an enormous amount of time working on bug-fixing and polishing tasks for Plasma 6.1 this week. It was a big release, and there were some rough edges around the new edit mode. So we put qui…
I wish the team would just spent an entire year of bug fixing and refining user experience without adding new features or making big changes such as the new desktop edit mode. Don’t get me wrong, this is super exciting too, but for the complex nature of KDE it would be good if they keep a bit of focus after a major release.
I swear I think of this every time someone mentions kde should just fix bugs. I follow Nate’s blog weekly and try to keep track of any other work that is going on. 90% of any kde release is polishing, bug fixing, and refactoring or outright replacing old code that was causing issues. For some reason, people seem to consider colors changing from blue to red a new feature.
I guess you meant this as a joke, but for clarification, I meant no big changes such as new desktop edit mode. I wish the team would just focus of bug fixes and enhancements without introducing new elements or changing things up in a big way like this.
This isn’t a joke. Often times rewriting features like this will allow the code to be more streamlined and use the latest KDE library features. This is brining new features using modern and more maintable code that solves long standing issues. Fixing the old code sometimes isn’t worth the effort for a variety of reasons (based on unmaintained libraries, the original code might have been written a while ago so it’s had many revisions of fixes that necessarily complicated the code, etc.)
You misunderstand me. They can write new code and be ready when the bug hunting phase is over. The end user only gets bug fixes. Later they can backport any new feature after the phase.
I don’t think anyone has misunderstood you here. You misunderstood what you wrote in your first comment. The new desktop edit window is not proposing any new functionality that wasn’t there, but showcasing it in a more streamlined fashion. That’s in itself refining the user experience, which is exactly what you wanted.
The problem here is that we are dealing in largely imprecise terms. If we instead turn to semantic versioning for inspiring what we’d consider a large change, then Plasma 5 -> 6 is a big change, breaking previous API.
The new desktop edit effect is largely irrelevant under this rather precise terminology.
It is not irrelevant to me and I made it multiple times clear. Its a suggestion by me, regardless of what terminology you use or the team uses. The desktop edit change is a big change which I suggest not to do for a year. Only bug fixes and small changes that enhance and improve usability. The desktop edit change is a huge change for the developers and for the end user, with lot of background changes to make it work correctly, with lot of fixes after it.
Something that complex is not a small change and is not irrelevant for the topic I brought up. I made it multiple times clear now, I don’t know why you are still act like this. It’s not a definition of a term we are trying to agree, I don’t care the term.
I wish the team would just spent an entire year of bug fixing and refining user experience without adding new features or making big changes such as the new desktop edit mode. Don’t get me wrong, this is super exciting too, but for the complex nature of KDE it would be good if they keep a bit of focus after a major release.
It seems like a lot of the new features also fix old bugs by replacing the way they function.
well the “new desktop edit mode” was refining the user experience and fixing bugs
I swear I think of this every time someone mentions kde should just fix bugs. I follow Nate’s blog weekly and try to keep track of any other work that is going on. 90% of any kde release is polishing, bug fixing, and refactoring or outright replacing old code that was causing issues. For some reason, people seem to consider colors changing from blue to red a new feature.
I guess you meant this as a joke, but for clarification, I meant no big changes such as new desktop edit mode. I wish the team would just focus of bug fixes and enhancements without introducing new elements or changing things up in a big way like this.
This isn’t a joke. Often times rewriting features like this will allow the code to be more streamlined and use the latest KDE library features. This is brining new features using modern and more maintable code that solves long standing issues. Fixing the old code sometimes isn’t worth the effort for a variety of reasons (based on unmaintained libraries, the original code might have been written a while ago so it’s had many revisions of fixes that necessarily complicated the code, etc.)
You misunderstand me. They can write new code and be ready when the bug hunting phase is over. The end user only gets bug fixes. Later they can backport any new feature after the phase.
I don’t think anyone has misunderstood you here. You misunderstood what you wrote in your first comment. The new desktop edit window is not proposing any new functionality that wasn’t there, but showcasing it in a more streamlined fashion. That’s in itself refining the user experience, which is exactly what you wanted.
I don’t agree with you and explicitly listed it in my first reply as an example of what I consider a big change.
The problem here is that we are dealing in largely imprecise terms. If we instead turn to semantic versioning for inspiring what we’d consider a large change, then Plasma 5 -> 6 is a big change, breaking previous API.
The new desktop edit effect is largely irrelevant under this rather precise terminology.
It is not irrelevant to me and I made it multiple times clear. Its a suggestion by me, regardless of what terminology you use or the team uses. The desktop edit change is a big change which I suggest not to do for a year. Only bug fixes and small changes that enhance and improve usability. The desktop edit change is a huge change for the developers and for the end user, with lot of background changes to make it work correctly, with lot of fixes after it.
Something that complex is not a small change and is not irrelevant for the topic I brought up. I made it multiple times clear now, I don’t know why you are still act like this. It’s not a definition of a term we are trying to agree, I don’t care the term.
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How dare you say that. We need more options that most people will never use